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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 17 March 2013 06:22 PM,
parminder wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:5145BC94.9030500@itforchange.net" type="cite">
<br>
However, on Michael’s issue ;
<br>
<br>
1. I have no idea why are you, and some others, being
deliberately blind to the fact that Michael applied to the
academic community part of the 'technical and academic
communities' and not the technical community part.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
And of course, Adam, you want to take *no note* of the fact that the
criteria Constance gave us which ISOC applies to chose reps from
'technical and academic community' which is, and I quote<br>
<br>
"it referred to the community of organizations and individuals who
are involved in the day-to-day operational management of the
Internet and who work within this community"<br>
<br>
<i><b>simply and completely removes any academic representation,
altogether.</b></i> So no academic rep at all in the 'tech and
academic community'!!! Does it not sound strange? I bet it would to
anyone, other than, perhaps, those just too committed to certain
causes and interests.... So, without ceremony ISOC simply sweeps
away all and any possibility of due academic representation that
WSIS and UN GA asked for, and we all are expected to keep quite
because ISOC are our friends . That sounds very very strange to me.<br>
<br>
The ISOC criteria in fact also removes all the technical people who
may not be managing "day-to-day operational management of the
Internet " in the employment of a few organisations that we all
know. And I know so many technical people who should be considered
in 'technical community' and whose expertise should be used by UN
bodies, but who do not work for an ICANN or ISOC, IETF or RIRs.
(Including those who have never been in civil society, so no
'constituency shopping' excuse can be used in their case)<br>
<br>
This cannot be a one sided redefinition of a category which fills as
many places as the whole of civil society does in policy related
bodies. And those who want to debate this issue cannot be reduced to
some kind of mean petulant people who have nothing better to do than
raise controversies. This is an important and central issue of
multistakeholderism, ad we have a right to discuss it here and
communicate our views on the matter. <br>
<br>
MSism will the biggest loser if we refuse to construct the needed
norms, principles and rules for it. And here we refuse to even
discuss them. Selection of those who can be considered as reps for
different stakeholders is one of the most central issues here. <br>
<br>
<br>
parminder<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:5145BC94.9030500@itforchange.net" type="cite">
<br>
2. There was no speaking slot for academic community at WSIS. It
was either civil society or technical community or private sector.
So whichever slot Michael tried would be flipping, right! And
therefore you seem to believe that an academic has no right to
speak at the opening panel at WSIS.
<br>
<br>
3. I also think that Michael took this thing up more to open the
process for possible academic nominees on such bodies, than for
himself getting a position, the chance for which in the current
circumstances was never going to be huge. Less I think than he had
a chance through the civil society process, which process he
deliberately forsook.
<br>
<br>
parminder
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:04 PM, michael gurstein
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"><gurstein@gmail.com></a> wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Adam,
<br>
<br>
My reasons for making the application through the T/A group
are quite clear
<br>
in the note I appended to the message I sent earlier to Ms.
Bommalaer and
<br>
which I sent as a request for endorsement to my "stakeholder
group" --
<br>
academics/researchers involved in making the Internet
accessible and usable
<br>
to the widest range of global citizens and particularly those
who might
<br>
otherwise marginalized in the process.
<br>
<br>
Since there are some 4-5 billion people in the would not as
yet accessing or
<br>
using the Internet, even with all of the best will and skill
by the
<br>
technical community there would appear to be the need for
additional
<br>
knowledges and skills to those currently being made available
to ensure that
<br>
we are building an Internet which is truly for all. It is from
that basis
<br>
and representing that community that I made my application.
<br>
<br>
If you disagree with what I wrote there or with the conclusion
that I drew
<br>
from that concerning applying through the T/A group I would be
pleased to
<br>
engage with you in that substantive discussion.
<br>
<br>
Beyond that I believe there is nothing to discuss.
<br>
<br>
M
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:apeake@gmail.com">apeake@gmail.com</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:apeake@gmail.com">mailto:apeake@gmail.com</a>] On Behalf Of
Adam Peake
<br>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:51 AM
<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; michael gurstein
<br>
Cc: Anriette Esterhuysen; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bommelaer@isoc.org">bommelaer@isoc.org</a>; HASSAN Ayesha;
Roger Harris
<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD Working Group on Enhanced
Cooperation
<br>
<br>
Hi Micheal,
<br>
<br>
"double dipping" my terminology, not Constance.
<br>
<br>
You are an active member of a civil society stakeholder
group. You have
<br>
sought nominations through CS to the MAG, to WSIS+10 speaking
role (for
<br>
which you were selected), and in a related process you decided
to try a
<br>
different path through a different stakeholder group.
<br>
Good luck to you playing the field.
<br>
<br>
Adam
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:07 PM, michael gurstein
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"><gurstein@gmail.com></a>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Ms. Bommelaer,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I have no idea how you might have informed yourself
concerning my
<br>
possible "nomination" through the CS focal point for the
CSTD WG on EC
<br>
and thus to be engaged in, in your terminology "double
dipping" and
<br>
"constituency shopping". My understanding was that the
nomination
<br>
process within the CS grouping was in fact, confidential.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
That being by the by, I'm attaching below what I believe to
be the
<br>
relevant correspondence between myself and Ms. Esterhuysen
concerning my
<br>
</blockquote>
"candidacy"
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">in this matter. I believe there to
have been some confusion on her
<br>
part based on her being part of a professional email list
(the
<br>
editorial board of the Journal of Community Informatics
which I edit)
<br>
and to which I sent the note below with an explanation
asking for
<br>
endorsement for my candidacy for the Technical and Academic
grouping
<br>
several of which endorsements I believe you have received.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
BTW, I (and now I believe, we) still await a clear
exposition of the
<br>
procedures followed in the determination of your
"nominations"
<br>
including the basis on which you determined and applied "the
criteria
<br>
</blockquote>
used".
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
I'm afraid that a quiet chat between you and a few of your
friends as per:
<br>
<br>
The names put forward were subject to considerable
discussion as well
<br>
as oral dialogue with many individuals from Civil Society
and the
<br>
Business community (including their focal points). The
criteria used
<br>
were shared with all interested individuals as well as with
the UN.
<br>
<br>
is hardly sufficient for a matter of this significance and
could by
<br>
some I believe, even be seen as undermining the legitimacy
of the
<br>
multistakeholder approach to decision making itself, due to
your
<br>
overall lack of formality, accountability and transparency.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I believe an apology is in order. Also, I believe if your
decision and
<br>
your communication with others was based on misinformation
whatever
<br>
its source, I believe it only in order that you reconduct
your
<br>
processes, this time based on formal and transparent
procedures with
<br>
clearly identified and agreed upon criteria.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: michael gurstein [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">mailto:gurstein@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<br>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:21 AM
<br>
<br>
To: '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>'; '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:emilar@APC.ORG">emilar@APC.ORG</a>'
<br>
<br>
Subject: RE: [JoCI] Request for Endorsement for UN Working
Group on
<br>
Internet issues
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Anriette,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'll attach my bio, resume and "endorsements". (I'm not sure
what you
<br>
mean by an application form. I filled one out for the MAG
but I didn't
<br>
see one for the ECWG.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In any case FWIW I've sent my application and the
endorsements to
<br>
Constance as I'm applying for the "technical/academic"
stakeholder
<br>
group. My intention would be to speak to/from the EC issues
from a
<br>
community informatics/grassroots/end user
<br>
academic/technical/researcher perspective. in which I'm
thinking I
<br>
have the requisite background and experience. Also, again
FWIW I am
<br>
</blockquote>
prepared to put in the time required for this.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
Constance et al seem a bit perplexed by my application but
we'll see.
<br>
She evidently has agreed to "accept" it, what happens after
that I'm
<br>
not sure.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Of course, an "endorsement" from you folks would be
excellent :)
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
----------------------
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Anriette Esterhuysen [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">mailto:anriette@apc.org</a>]
<br>
<br>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:29 PM
<br>
<br>
To: Michael Gurstein; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:emilar@APC.ORG">emilar@APC.ORG</a>
<br>
<br>
Subject: Re: [JoCI] Request for Endorsement for UN Working
Group on
<br>
Internet issues
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Michael
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Really sorry.. but we are missing your application form.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Please can you send today?
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Anriette
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<br>
On 04/03/2013 09:45, michael gurstein wrote:
<br>
<br>
Tks Roger,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, you are correct. The issues coming out of WSIS
2003/2005 were on
<br>
two tracks--"Information Society" (ICT4D and DD for example)
and
<br>
"Internet Governance" (domain name management for example)
on a second
<br>
track. The decision to pursue questions concerning "Enhanced
<br>
Cooperation" (concerning the overall global multistakeholder
<br>
governance of Internet related matters) was meant to
integrate the two
<br>
</blockquote>
themes/tracks.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
Of the four "stakeholders" -- government, civil society,
private
<br>
sector, and technical/academic -- the interests (stake)
represented by
<br>
the technical/academic has to date been represented almost
exclusively
<br>
by Developed Country techies with an interest in the
maintenance of
<br>
the technical infrastructure (the second track) and it would
be my
<br>
intention on that committee to ensure that Information
Society issues
<br>
were also being considered. There would be some overlap of
interest
<br>
with the civil society reps--but their interests would be
rather more
<br>
normative -- particularly around Human Rights and normative
principles.
<br>
<br>
Given the specific wording and mode of selection for this
position it
<br>
is likely that individual endorsments might be of most value
and
<br>
particularly academics such as those on this list.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best and tks,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----------------------------------
<br>
<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net">joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net</a>
<br>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net">mailto:joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net</a>] On
Behalf Of
<br>
Roger Harris
<br>
<br>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:30 AM
<br>
<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joci-editorial@vancouvercommunity.net">joci-editorial@vancouvercommunity.net</a>
<br>
<br>
Subject: RE: [JoCI] Request for Endorsement for UN Working
Group on
<br>
Internet issues
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
HI Mike,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Happy to do this; you're certainly the right person to
represent the
<br>
stance you describe.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
There's still talk around of digital divides and although I
can detect
<br>
a slight drift towards the notion that they represent more
than mere
<br>
access to devices, there's a danger the technologists will
drown this out.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Suggest you draft the appropriate wording and I'll put my
name to it.
<br>
Maybe the group could do the same; a kinda 'petition'?
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Rgds
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Roger
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dr. Roger Harris
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Consultant in ICTs for poverty reduction and rural
development.
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rogharris.org/">http://www.rogharris.org/</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Co-Editor-in-Chief; The Electronic Journal of Information
Systems in
<br>
Developing Countries
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ejisdc.org/ojs2/index.php/ejisdc">http://www.ejisdc.org/ojs2/index.php/ejisdc</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Director Business Development; eBario Sdn Bhd
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ebario.org/">http://www.ebario.org/</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Visiting Professor, Institute of Social Informatics and
Technological
<br>
Innovation - Universiti Malaysia Sarawak
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.isiti.unimas.my/">http://www.isiti.unimas.my/</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--------------------------------------------
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net">joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net</a>
<br>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net">mailto:joci-editorial-owner@vancouvercommunity.net</a>] On
Behalf Of
<br>
michael gurstein
<br>
<br>
Sent: 01 March, 2013 3:07 PM
<br>
<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net">ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net</a>;
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cracin-canada@vancouvercommunity.net">cracin-canada@vancouvercommunity.net</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ci-research-sa@vcn.bc.ca">ci-research-sa@vcn.bc.ca</a>;
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joci-editorial@vancouvercommunity.net">joci-editorial@vancouvercommunity.net</a>
<br>
<br>
Subject: [JoCI] Request for Endorsement for UN Working Group
on
<br>
Internet issues
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Colleagues,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The UN General Assembly is in the process of establishing a
"Working
<br>
Group on Enhanced Cooperation". The function of this Working
Group is
<br>
to deliberate on an institutional framework for identifying
and
<br>
responding to issues concerning the global impact and
operation of the
<br>
</blockquote>
Internet.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
As you know a wide range of Internet related issues have
been rapidly
<br>
emerging concerning privacy and surveillance on the net;
<br>
infrastructure, access and cost of Internet use; freedom of
expression
<br>
and censorship; the economic and other uses of personal data
by
<br>
mega-corps like Facebook and Google; among others. To date
there are
<br>
no structures in place where discussions can be undertaken
and, where
<br>
necessary, decisions can be made concerning these matters as
they impact
<br>
</blockquote>
on the entire world.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
This Working Group is being established in response to a
specific
<br>
direction from the World Summit on the Information Society
where all
<br>
voices concerning these matters were given an opportunity to
be heard.
<br>
This Group will function under the convenorship of the Chair
of the UN
<br>
Commission on Science and Technology for Development. The
outcome of
<br>
the Working Group will be one small, but not insignificant
step in a
<br>
very long process, but as the first such development it will
be
<br>
</blockquote>
significant.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
The Chair of the Commission on Science and Technology for
Development
<br>
is required to ensure that the working group has balanced
<br>
representation between Governments and invitees from all
other
<br>
stakeholders, namely, the private sector, civil society,
technical and
<br>
academic communities, and intergovernmental and
international
<br>
</blockquote>
organizations.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
In consultation with colleagues much more knowledgeable
about these
<br>
processes than myself, I have decided to forward my
candidacy as part
<br>
of the "technical and academic community". This in itself is
something
<br>
of an innovation since the formulation "technical and
academic
<br>
community" to date has included only those with a
specifically
<br>
technical interest in Internet infrastructure and technical
operation
<br>
althoughI believe this was not the original intention which
was
<br>
rather, to have a broad range of such inputs including those
with an
<br>
</blockquote>
end-user oriented research interest.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
I believe that it is important that "non-techie" Internet
<br>
academics/researchers be represented in this most important
discussion
<br>
and I believe it especially important that someone whose
<br>
academic/research interests are with ensuring the broadest
base of
<br>
digital inclusion including among the marginalized, the
rural, the
<br>
indigenous, women and others be also included and that
matters
<br>
concerning these latter groups be raised as these global
internet
<br>
</blockquote>
governance structures are being discussed.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
I see my role here as being something of a placeholder as I
believe
<br>
that once the principle is established that technical and
academic
<br>
interests with respect to the Internet must go beyond simply
the
<br>
technical community there will be a range of opportunities
for such
<br>
participation in other Working Groups that might follow.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I should perhaps add that this participation is unfunded and
it is as
<br>
yet unclear whether participation will be virtual or through
face to
<br>
face meetings. (The absence of funding for these kinds of
<br>
multistakeholder activities should not be surprising since
for the
<br>
most part the stakeholders involved including the technical
community
<br>
folks are participating as part of their normal work
activities with
<br>
their travel being covered by their
<br>
employers.)
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So colleagues, with this note I'm asking you, and
particularly those
<br>
of you with academic or research positions to "endorse" my
candidacy
<br>
by sending an email to the focal point for the
"technial/academic"
<br>
community Ms. Constance Bommelaer <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bommelaer@isoc.org">bommelaer@isoc.org</a> and
with a copy to
<br>
</blockquote>
myself.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
Your note need not be elaborate but it would be most useful
to
<br>
indicate your academic title(s) as an indication of the
breadth of
<br>
support for this candidacy. This matter has come up quite
quickly and
<br>
the deadline is that endorsements should be forwarded no
later than March
<br>
</blockquote>
6.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
Feel free to pass this along to others you think might have
an
<br>
interest but my preference is to not have this too broadly
distributed
<br>
outside of the wider Community Informatics community at this
time.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
With thanks,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
<br>
<br>
Executive Director: Centre for Community Informatics
Research,
<br>
Development and Training (CCIRDT)
<br>
<br>
Vancouver, BC CANADA
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
tel/fax: +1-604-602-0624
<br>
<br>
email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>
<br>
<br>
web: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://communityinformatics.net">http://communityinformatics.net</a>
<br>
<br>
blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com">http://gurstein.wordpress.com</a>
<br>
<br>
twitter: #michaelgurstein
<br>
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