<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It's a fine letter if what we want to accomplish is to piss off our<br>
natural allies in the WG.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>[ST>]I think that they are professionals and would not be pissed as it is merely stating and asserting a position. Dialogue is critical and if the letter can encourage dialogue to commence afterall championing a free and open society by its very ethos demands that there is dialogue over issues and concerns not matter how difficult the situation.<br>
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IG should be done (and is done in the Technical Community) by<br>
coordination, collaboration and cooperation. This letter is none of<br>
those things.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>[ST>]Coordination, collaboration and cooperation does not necessarily mean the absence of having frank discussions on issues of representation etc. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It's bad strategy, bad politics and the only thing it will do is<br>
provoke another SG group.<br></blockquote><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If we do send this letter, then logically, we must also send a letter<br>
to the biz folk asking them to abide by the same process. While we<br>
are at it, we should insist that the govs pick folk in the same way!<br></blockquote><div><br>[ST>]I do not follow your logic. We are concerned about civil society representation and ensuring that there is a wide dimension and breadth of representation from civil society as discussions and dialogue on the issues have consistently shown. If ever there was a time to raise this, it is now. Even if our issues are sidelined, it is on record that we raised the issues. We are not fighting people or personalities but addressing issues which are of concern to us as it impacts on the how "our voices" are heard. <br>
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We learned of the CS process 2 days ago, and while I think it was well<br>
done, I hardly think it should be held up as a model of openness and<br>
transparency (since we only learned of it after it had finished).<br>
<br>
The bottom line is that they aren't going to change their minds about<br>
who they pick, no matter how much we hold our breath and stomp our<br>
feet!<br>
<br></blockquote><div>[ST>]The issue is not so much about them changing their minds about who they pick as it is about "principle". <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Cheers,<br>
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McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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