<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I disagree.</div><div><br></div><div>The assumption that those who have previously submitted proposals - learn about the new process, and put together details needed by the deadline is - it in my opinion - unreasonable. the very short deadline It assumes that all those who have submitted proposals in the past 2 years are following the process closely. Sure MAG members and those who attended the Paris deadline may be aware of the deadline, but it will take a bit longer for others to learn of the news.</div><div><br></div><div>Did not the MAG not have the consensus that proposals were to be encouraged from "not the usual suspects" ? if so, then might I be bold enough to propose a individual proposal to have the deadlines extended. </div><div><br></div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">R. Guerra</div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081</div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/netfreedom">twitter.com/netfreedom</a> <br>Email: <a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org">rguerra@privaterra.org</a></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>On 2013-03-11, at 7:00 AM, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto"><div>The short deadline is not for newcomers but for those who have previously (in 2011 and 2012) organized workshops. <br><br><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Peter </span></div><div><br>On 11.03.2013, at 00:03, "Robert Guerra" <<a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org">rguerra@privaterra.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>12 days notice for the international community to put together proposals for a - if not the - leading Internet Governance meeting is very, very short notice. <div><br></div><div>At the recent consultation in Paris I was surprised to be the only one who raised the issue that it was too short a timeline. Utterly surprised others didn't raise the issue.</div><div><br></div><div>I sincerely hope that the MAG and IGF secretariat will revisit what is, in effect, a deadline that makes it effectively impossible for new comers to know about the call for workshop proposals and submit one in time.</div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2013-03-10, at 7:36 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>It just occurred to me I've not seen this mentioned on the gov list. Many people have just 12 days to decide if they want to organize a workshop in Bali.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: [NCSG-Discuss] IGF 2013 Preliminary Call for Workshops Proposals</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">March 10, 2013 12:31:24 PM GMT+01:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG">robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br></span></div><br><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Robin<div><br></div><div>Thanks for circulating this. Getting the CFP to even this level of clarity required some insistence by a couple of us civil society types on the MAG, but it may still require more reading between the lines and inference than is ideal. So just to make sure it's clear: people who organized workshops in the past two years need to be aware that they must submit a preliminary proposal by 22 March and then be invited by the MAG in order to submit a full proposal by 30 April. If they don't do the former, they will not be allowed to do the latter, and if the former's approved, they can't change the concept much post hoc. These restrictions do not apply to people who've not organized events in the past two years. Personally, I don't see how this new policy is value-adding and think it could cause confusion and/or consternation down the line, but hopefully everyone effected will get the memo and be able to decide within the next twelve days whether they might want and be able to organize a workshop in late October. In a related vein, please recall the MAG's prior decision that a workshop organizer from the previous year must post to the IGF website a report on their event in order to qualify to organize something the following year. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">
fyi<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <br clear="all"><div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Some of you may already be aware, but the IGF has issued a preliminary call for workshop proposals with a fast approaching deadline of 22 March 2013!</div> <div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/121-preparatory-process/1288-2013-preliminary-call-for-workshops-proposals" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/121-preparatory-process/1288-2013-preliminary-call-for-workshops-proposals</a><br clear="all" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <table style="color:rgb(48,48,48);font-size:13px;font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><tbody><tr><td width="100%" style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(51,102,102);font-size:16px;padding:0px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgb(204,204,204)"> 2013 Preliminary Call for Workshops Proposals</td><td align="right" width="100%" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/121-preparatory-process/1288-2013-preliminary-call-for-workshops-proposals?format=pdf" title="PDF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(51,102,102);text-decoration:none"><object alt="PDF" style="border: none;" data="cid:" type="application/x-apple-msg-attachment"></object></a></td> <td align="right" width="100%" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/121-preparatory-process/1288-2013-preliminary-call-for-workshops-proposals?tmpl=component&print=1&page=" title="Print" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(51,102,102);text-decoration:none"><object alt="Print" style="border: none;" data="cid:" type="application/x-apple-msg-attachment"></object></a></td> <td align="right" width="100%" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/mailto/?tmpl=component&link=42ef01ae9ac6d898e95bdbd47cf6dcf5b8c30395" title="E-mail" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(51,102,102);text-decoration:none"><object alt="E-mail" style="border: none;" data="cid:" type="application/x-apple-msg-attachment"></object></a></td> </tr></tbody></table><table style="color:rgb(48,48,48);font-size:13px;font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><div> The Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) in its meeting on 1 March 2013 agreed to modify the procedure for the selection of workshops. </div><div> </div><div>They advised that a preliminary call for workshop proposals be issued. Workshop proponents should include a concise description of the thematic area of interest and other pertinent information in their submissions. The proposals could focus on the priority themes identified by the open consultations/MAG meetings or could also introduce other themes. (These can be found in the annex of the <a href="http://intgovforum.org/cms/2013/MAG.Summary.Report.1March.r2.pdf" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(51,102,102);text-decoration:none">MAG summary report:</a>.)</div> <div> </div><div>The MAG recommended that a two track process be followed:</div><div> </div><ul style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><li style="margin:0px 0px 0px 30px;padding:0px;list-style:disc">For organizers of workshops in <strong>2011 or 2012</strong> IGF meeting the submission of a preliminary proposal by <strong>22 March 2013 </strong>is mandatory. After this deadline the MAG will go through and assess the preliminary proposals. The MAG through the Secretariat will then invite selected workshop proponents to submit full and complete workshop proposals by <strong>30 April 2013 </strong>based on these preliminary proposals. Workshop proponents with similar proposals may be asked to work together to develop a single fully-fledged proposal. Workshop proponents cannot significantly change the topic of an approved proposal. <br> </li><li style="margin:0px 0px 0px 30px;padding:0px;list-style:disc">In order to encourage workshop organizers, first time proposers are encouraged to but do not need to submit preliminary workshop proposals. They do however have to submit a full and complete workshop proposal by <strong>30 April 2013</strong>. The Secretariat stands ready to assist new comers in any way.</li> </ul><div> </div><div>As a result of the above MAG recommendations the IGF Secretariat is issuing a preliminary call for workshop proposals to which the deadline will be <strong>22 March 2013</strong>.</div><div> </div><div> An online form will be available on <strong>15 March 2013 </strong>on the IGF website for submissions.</div><div> </div><div>The template will be as follows:</div><div> </div><div>1.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Workshop working title:</div> <div>2.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Concise description of broader thematic area of interest:</div><div>3.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Concise description of specific issues to be addressed:</div> <div>4.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Indication of workshop format:</div><div style="margin-left:40px">a.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Panel*</div><div style="margin-left:40px">b.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Roundtable</div> <div style="margin-left:40px">c.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Free discussion (with one or two moderators)</div><div style="margin-left:40px">d.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> Other (please describe)</div> <div>5.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Name of contact person:**</div><div>6.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Institution:</div><div>7.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Contact email:</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>-------------------------------------------------------------------- </div><div>* Names of speakers are not required at this stage. </div><div>* *New workshop organizers are encouraged.</div></td></tr> </tbody></table></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org/">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div><div><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br><span>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a></span><br><span>To be removed from the list, visit:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>For all other list information and functions, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a></span><br><span>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></span><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>