<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>There are people who bridge the gap effectively. Which involves not using pejorative terms (rentier for instance) to describe those you disagree with. That, and working to find common ground where you can agree to some extent to those whose views differ from yours. So, not demonizing the opposition is definitely a good place to start.</div><div><br></div><div>The other thing I have found is that people who implement anything in practice and have their opinions tempered by that experience are much more reliable sources of knowledge, and more inclined to avoid blindly ideological positions, than theorists, especially those with a political bent.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 04-Mar-2013, at 8:50, Diego Rafael Canabarro <<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>How to disentangle both?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>A big difference between the two. Ideology is driven by a relatively
blind belief system. Philosophy takes more facts into account, even if
they conflict with ideology. <br>
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--srs (htc one x)<br>
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</p><p>On 21 February 2013 12:04:10 PM Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro
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<div>On the contrary, policy is driven by philosophy or
ideology.<br><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Feb 21, 2013,
at 5:54 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>A perception of
what different groups or individuals feel is the global public
interest, more like?</div><div><br></div><div>Ideology and policy,
especially on the Internet, are a very bad mix. And I doubt you will
get consensus on what constitutes global public interest.<br><br>--srs
(iPad)</div><div><br>On 21-Feb-2013, at 11:15, Salanieta
Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>It is interesting
when advocacy in relation to global public interest is labelled as
left/South.</div><div>Civil society is seen as a watchdog and where it
is told to stop speaking or expressing its views because they are
"left" then there is a danger of being innoculated from subtle threats
that affect what we hold dear, an open and free
Internet.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br>Sent
from my iPad</div><div><br>On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Suresh
Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I dont dispute
that. My sole point is that there's little or no connection from
these to internet governance, and there are plenty of other fora where
the rest of it gets extensively discussed - quite a few exclusively
from a "south" / "left" etc perspective as well, if that's a criterion
that some seek.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 21-Feb-2013, at
4:04, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>In essence, we
live in a vast interconnected world and with something like the
Internet, there are a plethora of issues that stem from the way that
Internet is structured and the various regulatory mechanisms, diverse
jurisdictional treatment etc.</div><div><br></div><div>From a global
public interest, it is in the interest of civil society to she informed
of how various shifts in policies, laws, market behaviour, Internet
architecture can affect the ordinary
user.</div><div><br></div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On
Feb 21, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>The
"application to cyberspace" part seems to be missing in that the
frameworks being discussed are not specific to online copyright theft.
</div><div><br></div><div>Even there, the wgig report does seem
to over stretch the igov definition to a considerable
extent.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 21-Feb-2013, at 0:42,
"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Suresh
Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi, is there an internet governance angle to this that I somehow missed?<br>
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--srs (iPad)<br></blockquote><div><br>Th WGIG 2005 Report identified
Intellectual Property as an Internet Governance thematic area. See page
7:<br><br><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">"<b>23. Intellectual property rights (IPR)</b><br>
<b>Application of intellectual property rights to cyberspace.</b><br>•
While there is agreement on the need for balance between the rights of
holders and the rights of users, there are different views on the
precise nature of the balance that will be most beneficial to all
stakeholders, and whether the current IPR system is adequate to address
the new issues posed by cyberspace. On the one hand, intellectual
property rights holders are concerned about the high number of
infringements, such as digital piracy, and the technologies developed
to circumvent protective measures to prevent such infringements; on the
other hand, users are concerned about market oligopolies, the
impediments to access and use of digital content and the perceived
unbalanced."</span><br>
<br> Intellectual Property touches virtually every layer of the
Information Infrastructure and layer of Internet Architecture, consider
Verisign's Patent Application for Domain Name Transfers and other
issues stemming from Digital Rights Management Systems and the use of
Piracy Filters.<br>
<br>For human rights advocates, the use of piracy filters can just as
easily be used to filter content arbitrarily and where do you draw the
line. The criminalization of things like breaking digital locks on
software etc.<br>
<br>The threats with the TPP is that there is a massive transition from
being mere Traffic providers to policing the internet. The Berne
Convention of course is one of the long standing international legal
instruments that are widely accepted globally so by extension it is
relevant.<br>
<br>There are many links that you can go to see the link between IP and
the Internet and here are just three:<br><br><a href="http://www.cisco.com/web/about/gov/issues/ip_rights.html" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/web/about/gov/issues/ip_rights.html</a>
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<a href="https://www.eff.org/search/site/Trans%20Pacific%20partnership" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/search/site/Trans%20Pacific%20partnership</a><br><a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121011_perspective_on_verisign_patent_application_on_domain_transfers/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121011_perspective_on_verisign_patent_application_on_domain_transfers/</a><br>
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On 20-Feb-2013, at 18:57, <a href="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com" target="_blank">riaz.tayob@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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> Using a treaty for the blind to push 3 strikes..<br>
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>> <a href="http://keionline.org/node/1655" target="_blank">http://keionline.org/node/1655</a><br>
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