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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/27/2013 07:47 PM, GTW wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:880A0EAEED1640D4BF8FA7204D44ADCF@GTWPC"
type="cite">Congratulations and thanks to Jamie for bringing the
matter of licensing patents essential to practice a standard to
the attention of this list. This topic indeed has global
implications. However IMO it is not at all clear what are
proper and helpful roles of government intervention to address
problems that arise. I prefer private sector market based
solutions over government interventions with their attendant
many unforeseen and unanticipated consequences.
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George<br>
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You mean that Government interventions are attendant with many "many
unforeseen and unanticipated consequences.
"<br>
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while (unregulated) private sector market based solutions have
entirely anticipated consequences .... like the derivatives
disaster, from which the world is still trying to recover.<br>
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(though it is understandable why a private sector representative
whose work typically is "<font face="Arial, Arial, Helvetica">representing
US business interests to national and international
organizations;...+" </font>would want a laissez faire situation<br>
Sometimes I think we have too much of US business representation
:-) here....<br>
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But worse than either nightmare - state control or private sector
control .... would be an unholy alliance between the two where the
lines between the two get increasingly blurred (as is many times the
case with US Govt. and US based trans-nationals)... see "<big><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> The Revolving Door Spins
from Sea to Shining Sea" for one reason why this blurring is
happening</font></big> <big><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.nationofchange.org/revolving-door-spins-sea-shining-sea-1361976538">http://www.nationofchange.org/revolving-door-spins-sea-shining-sea-1361976538</a><br>
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regards<br>
Guru<br>
</font></big>+ <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://gtwassociates.com/gtw/index.htm">http://gtwassociates.com/gtw/index.htm</a><br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:880A0EAEED1640D4BF8FA7204D44ADCF@GTWPC"
type="cite">Fortunately IMO it is not true that the DOJ and
USPTO statement
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/290994.pdf">http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/290994.pdf</a> calls
for compulsory licenses on thousands of "standards-essential"
patents as the title of this email thread contends. The
document's title more closely describes its purpose and content,
"POLICY STATEMENT ON REMEDIES FOR STANDARDS-ESSENTIAL PATENTS
SUBJECT TO VOLUNTARY F/RAND COMMITMENTS" IMO one of its purposes
is to help courts and the US International Trade Commission
understand what are the nuances of issues involving standards and
patents in current litigation and requests for ITC exclusion
orders. It also nudges standards developing organizations around
the world to consider how their polices and procedures address
potential problems that may arise with their standards.
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Recently the US Federal Trade Commission FTC also proposed some
actions to address problems it perceived in this space. I
disagreed with aspects of both of these proposals. I disagreed in
the first case
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/rboschgmbh/00013-85359.pdf">http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/rboschgmbh/00013-85359.pdf</a> for
example when FTC proposed to require royalty free licensing of
some patents FTC themselves agreed were not essential to practice
a standard. I disagreed in the second case for example
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftc.gov/os/comments/motorolagoogle/563708-00013-85543.pdf">http://ftc.gov/os/comments/motorolagoogle/563708-00013-85543.pdf</a>
when FTC proposed to require many steps before a patent holder
could begin to seek legal remedies in matters involving
infringement of patents
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It is true there are global problems and issues that arise
related to matter of licensing patents essential to practice a
standard. These problems and issues deserve global examination
and discussion. IMO potential solutions to these issues need to
balance encouragement for the many positive contributions and
role of Intellectual Property to global standard setting with the
needs of potential license holders to practice global standards on
a reasonable basis. IMO government intervention mandating
solutions risks upsetting that balance
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George T. Willingmyre, P.E.
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President GTW Associates
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-----Original Message----- From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:03 AM
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To: Jamie Love
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Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> ; Riaz K Tayob
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Subject: Re: [governance] The US Department of Justice and USPTO
call for compulsory licenses on thousands of "standards-essential"
patents
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Important - yes.
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Related to internet governance in any shape or form - no.
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Which is why I must repeat my plea that we retain focus.
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--srs (iPad)
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On 27-Feb-2013, at 14:13, Jamie Love
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:james.love@keionline.org"><james.love@keionline.org></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">I think the DOJ/PTO decision is pretty
important, because it (1)
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recognizes the problem that thousands of exclusive rights
presents to
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developers of new services and products, and (2) is directed at
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standards, which are at the core of the Internet's operation.
<br>
Exclusive rights have become an outdated and much abused
paradigm for
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patents and copyrights in a wide range of contexts, and
governments
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have been slow to fashion new paradigms.
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">"exceptionalism", "rentiers" - the point
would be made much better without such stale and overused
ideological catchphrases.
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Anyway - there is plenty of recorded government intervention
in the patent system. Worldwide, and in the United States.
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--srs (iPad)
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On 27-Feb-2013, at 13:53, Riaz K Tayob
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com"><riaz.tayob@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Conceptions of the ecosystems of
Internet Governance differ, particularly as relates to
legitimacy or exceptionalism issues.
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At a similar level of abstraction, what this shows is that
national choices can have extra territorial effect, namely
the policy of low quality patents in the US and the
relegation of disputes to the legal system.
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In addition, there is the local US tension between the old
intel prop rentiers in the Pharma (20 year patent) and
recording industries (70 y plus copyright) vs the more
dynamic and fast moving ICT industry; and perhaps this is an
indication that the US has decided to take action on these
matters, in order to reap what it has sown. It does indicate
that even the sacred cow of the patent system is not beyond
the bounds of intervention, which at this level of
abstraction should attract critiques of governmental
intervention *which for some is presumptively bad.
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On 2013/02/27 08:05 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Actually...one might geopolitically
view the USPTO policy change as primarily motivated at
forcing a truce among device manufacturers/patent holders.
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