<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It simply remains to be seen whether there IS a global public interest position and avoid a community level groupthink that deludes us into believing that we are the arbiters of said interest.</div><div><br></div><div>There is no shortage of processes where consensus is achieved in a particular community and when the (globally relevant) decision is out, there are loud protests from other stakeholder groups with diametrically opposite views.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 23-Feb-2013, at 3:44, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I didn't mention CIRP at all and quite frankly I'm not sure what you mean by a "CIRP-like body"… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What I did say was that I believe there is the need to examine these matters in the broad context of a (global) public interest… how, or what form a response "in the public interest" might take (or for that matter who or how that response might be determined or executed if in fact a response was deemed necessary) I think is an open question. However, it is to my mind precisely those kinds of issues that need to be addressed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It will be a long and winding road to get anywhere near an effective resolution of those questions but the issues requiring some kind of response are coming with increasing frequency and in the absence of a set of responses based on collaboratively arrived at rules and principles we are left with "might makes right" or "ruling by default" which of course gives maximum power to incumbents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> McTim [<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 22, 2013 1:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Norbert Bollow<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] scope of "Internet governance" (was Re: Fwd: Why do US and EU trade negotiators hate the Berne Copyright Limitations and Exceptions?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Michael,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 3:48 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><snip><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have yet to find anything on FB that is "necessary".<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>] I think the example that is generally used is that Ghana first announced its election results on FB… what consequences followed from that (if any) I'm not sure of, but one could imagine how that kind of practice would lead to services/functions that in some contexts are "necessary". </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I disagree. Posting results on FB and only FB would be a disservice to the citizenry. As one of many outlets, I think it is fine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Posting the results on the Internet (on the Election Commission website or official government website) is useful, but that doesn't make a case for global regulation of the network by all Electoral Commissions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If mPesa is providing the only </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">mPesa is one of many, it's not the only.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">"banking" service available for vast numbers of the population of Kenya or wherever, presumably the service can be seen as a "necessary" one and thus subject to some sort of regulation.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">mPesa and other mobile money services are heavily regulated in KE and elsewhere in Africa. I have no quibble with this at all. I just don't think we need a CIRP (or something like it) to regulate activity on the Internet.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><snip><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At that point, there would need to be a discussion why these "necessary services are on FB and not in the public domain.<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>] that's a good question and one worth addressing… the idea of a global public domain email service has been mooted from time to time (and I believe something of that sort was established in Sweden through the postal service… As you well know, there are pro's and con's for this… My point though is to simply say that these kinds of matters (and including "private services") need to be examined through a public interest lens.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I remain unconvinced that there is need of a global CIRP-like body.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br><span>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a></span><br><span>To be removed from the list, visit:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>For all other list information and functions, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a></span><br><span>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>