I usually find myself agreeing with Ginger and Izumi, but this time I agree with Kerry.<div>If a group creates rules for itself then it should follow those rules, or change them if the need arises, in the way that it has agreed.</div>
<div>And writing that first sentence gave me another perspective on the earlier suggestion of transferring one's vote to a like-minded party. :-)</div><div>Deirdre</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 February 2013 10:51, Izumi AIZU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:iza@anr.org" target="_blank">iza@anr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1 for extension and reminder.<div><br></div><div>izumi</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/18 shaila mistry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shailam@yahoo.com" target="_blank">shailam@yahoo.com</a>></span><br>
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<td valign="top" style="font:inherit"><div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with Ian: I support extending the voting period and reminding list members to vote as soon as possible.<br></div>Thanks gp<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 February 2013 13:35, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
sorry if my last message wasn't clear - I am in favour of counting the existing votes as valid, and just looking to boost the numbers of votes count, rather than running the whole process again.<br>
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Ian<br>
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-----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake<br>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:27 AM<br>
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Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll<br>
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Agree it would be helpful to know how many votes.<br>
<br>
But before re-doing the vote (how many times, until 'we' get the<br>
result we want?), could we have the amendments presented again. With<br>
time for discussion, and then see if again there is support to hold a<br>
vote.<br>
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Adam<br>
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On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Ian Peter <<a rel="nofollow">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Sala,<br>
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How many votes short are we of a positive result?<br>
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That would determine perhaps the best way to go.<br>
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In this case I dont think there is any great risk in re-opening the vote to<br>
get extra responses. The results in each ballot are clearly in favour of the<br>
reforms, the will of the caucus seems clear, it’s just a technicality that<br>
we have not had enough responses. (I would feel differently if on any of the<br>
ballots the no votes were roughly equivalent to the yes votes)<br>
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So I would suggest re-opening the ballot to allow those who havent voted to<br>
do so – accompanied by encouragement and reminders.<br>
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Ian<br>
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From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:17 PM<br>
To: Ian Peter<br>
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Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll<br>
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Dear Ian and All,<br>
<br>
You are correct. I apologize to the IGC for the oversight, the mistake is<br>
mine.<br>
<br>
As such, we currently have two options and they are:-<br>
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Option 1<br>
Accept from the votes that all the proposals have failed based on the<br>
results of the votes.<br>
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Option 2<br>
Re-run the votes<br>
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If we take Option 2, we run the risk of setting a precedent for extending<br>
voting periods for other things that require voting including coordinator<br>
elections. Should we consider the current votes invalid and cast fresh votes<br>
or extend the votes.<br>
<br>
In any event, the current revisions to the Charter that are on the website<br>
will be reversed to reflect what it originally was.<br>
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For the sake of completeness, the record of the votes is as follows:<br>
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76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not answer all<br>
questions, as none of them were compulsory.<br>
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On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.<br>
On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.<br>
On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.<br>
On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.<br>
<br>
Thank you and Kind Regards,<br>
Sala<br>
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On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Ian Peter <<a rel="nofollow">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Sala, are you sure?<br>
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The charter amendment process states that it is 2/3 of membership required<br>
for charter amendments, not 2/3 of those who bothered to vote. My<br>
understanding is that none of the votes result in charter amendments,<br>
because none of them had over 2/3 of members supporting. The relevant<br>
charter quote is below.<br>
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Amendments to the Charter<br>
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This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten<br>
(10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members<br>
of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based<br>
on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter,<br>
everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for<br>
amending the charter.<br>
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(perhaps it should be different but it isn’t on my reading)<br>
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Ian Peter<br>
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From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
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Dear All,<br>
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Greetings! This is a brief update on the results of the IGC Charter<br>
Amendment Poll. Here are the results:<br>
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76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not answer all<br>
questions, as none of them were compulsory.<br>
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On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.<br>
On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.<br>
On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.<br>
On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.<br>
<br>
This means that all proposals pass with greater than 80% approval, which<br>
is excess of the 2/3 requirement. The text of the amendments is found at<br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://igcaucus.org/formally-proposed-charter-amendments" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org/formally-<u></u>proposed-charter-amendments</a> and the charter as<br>
amended is at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://igcaucus.org/charter" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org/charter</a> and<br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-<u></u>process</a>.<br>
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I would also like to acknowledge and thank you all for your contributions,<br>
elaborate discussion and for taking the time to vote. Thank you to all those<br>
who proposed the amendments and initiated the process and to all those who<br>
took part. Special thanks also to Norbert for conducting the Poll and to<br>
Jeremy for helping out.<br>
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With Kind Regards,<br>
Sala (on behalf of the Coordinators)<br>
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