<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Dear Norbert,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I would like to add some s<span>uggestions</span> for Theme for IGF 2013, I tried to login onto the site <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/107" target="_blank"><font color="#2862c5">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/107</font></a> but my email id is not validated. Would you please guide me.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Suggestions for Main Theme and Sub Themes for IGF 2013 <br> <br>One of the Proposed Theme is as follows:<br> 1. Internet for Kids (the Innocent Minds & Next Generation)<br> <br>Sub Themes & Common Dialogues under above theme will cover:<br>1.1. Support the Innovative Ideas for new gTLDs (IDN) like dotKIDS, or dotABC<br>1.2. Legal & Human Rights for
Kids<br>1.3. Internet Online Safety & Protection for Kids<br> <br>1.4. <br>Stakeholders may be invited to engage in discussion to present proposals & demonstrate their collective (& individual) efforts for the followings:<br> <br>1.4.1. The establishment of contents databases & Search Engines, <br>1.4.2. Informative & educational material, <br>1.4.3. The development of Multi O/S Internet Browsers for Kids <br>1.4.4. Free & Easy Internet Access on Internet enabled Kids Devices and in Schools,<br> <br>1.4.5. Development of Email Systems (e.g. KidsEmail.org) and <br>1.4.6. Development of Social Networking Websites for Kids<br>1.5. Governance Dialogue on Internet for Kids.<br> <br>Thanking you and Best Regards<br> <br>Imran Ahmad Shah</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span></span> </div><div><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color:
rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Norbert Bollow <nb@bollow.ch><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 3:48<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] caucus contribution, consultation and MAG meeting<br> </font> </div> <br>[with IGC Coordinator hat on]<br><br>See below for my current list of issues that we
need to resolve, most<br>still open, one of them (Nick's comment on paragraph 12) I'll consider<br>closed as of this posting.<br><br>I'll hopefully get an answer tomorrow on whether we can get an<br>extension of the Feb 14 deadline. Depending on that answer I'll set<br>internal deadlines for<br>- providing a specific textual change suggestion for the comments<br> marked "Please propose specific text.",<br>- proposing improved resolutions,<br>- formally objecting to proposed resolutions,<br>- formally objecting to the current draft text regarding points for<br> which alternatives have been suggested.<br><br>The decision process is going to be:<br>- Where no specific textual change suggestion is made, the current text<br> of our statement remains unchanged in that regard.<br>- If for any of the proposed resolutions given below, no-one objects,<br> the text of our statement is adjusted accordingly.<br>- If for one of the proposed
resolutions given below, someone objects <br> to the proposed resolution, and also no other resolution is<br> proposed in a timely manner, while no-one explicitly objects to the<br> current draft text, the current text of our statement remains<br> unchanged in that regard.<br>- If for any particular point, we end up having objections to all<br> resolutions that have been put forward by the deadline for proposing<br> improved resolutions, and also an objection to the current draft text<br> regarding that point, as a last resort all text regard that point<br> will be deleted from the statement. (If we had enough time, we could<br> try to do a determination of rough consensus as allowed by the<br> charter, but I think it's pretty clear that there isn't going to be<br> enough time to do that in a reasonable manner.)<br><br>Greetings,<br>Norbert<br><br><br>All references are to <a
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/107" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/107</a><br><br><br>Paragraph 1<br>===========<br>Current text: "Here are the concerns and suggestions of the Civil<br>Society Internet Governance Caucus on IGF themes and format and the way<br>forward:"<br><br>Avri has commented: "I suggest that a paragragh be added about how these<br>comments were developed in a bottom-up manner. i.e a few words on the<br>process that was followed."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no such additional paragraph will<br>be added.<br><br><br>Paragraph 2<br>===========<br>Current text: "A. Implementation of the recommendations of the WG on<br>IGF Improvements"<br><br>Avri has commented: "I think it is appropriate to talk about<br>addressing, but I do not think that the CSTD WG improvements should be<br>seen as commands. they are
something that should be reviewed by the IGF<br>particiipants and those that get bottom-up support should be<br>implemented."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 3<br>===========<br>Current text: "There has been a sense of impatience and great urgency<br>vis a vis the fact that IGF has really not addressed key global public<br>policy questions that it was created to contribute towards resolution<br>of. For too long it has remained caught in matters of process and form.<br>It is time to do what it really needed to do."<br><br>McTim has commented: "This seems to be overly editorial to me. What<br>does it “really need to do”?"<br><br>Proposed resolution: Delete the two final sentences of the paragraph,<br>resulting in: "There has been a sense of impatience and great urgency<br>vis a vis the fact that IGF has
really not addressed key global public<br>policy questions that it was created to contribute towards resolution<br>of."<br><br><br>Paragraph 4<br>===========<br>Current text: "Especially the following recommendations of the WG on<br>IGF Improvements should be implemented immediately:"<br><br>Avri has commented: "I do not beleive the recommendations from the WG<br>on IGF should be implemented unless the bottom-up process of IGF itself<br>aproves the implementation of these. the MAG should review them and<br>should put out a call for consultations. After that consultation, then<br>the MAG should decide on what to implement and what not to implement."<br><br>Norbert Bollow has replied to Avri's comment: "I'm very uncomfortable<br>about thereby effectively giving the MAG authority to decide which of<br>the recommendations of the CSTD WG should be implemented."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is
made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br><br>Paragraph 10<br>============<br>Current text: "In the spirit of the above-cited recommendations, we<br>propose that the following policy question be taken up at the 2013 IGF:<br>“How to maintain net neutrality as the key architectural principle of<br>the global Internet, and what shall be the mechanisms and institutions<br>involved in this process?”<br><br>Avri has commented: "Why do we want to make an ill defined notion with<br>myriad different propaganda streams a major issue for the IGF. I do not<br>see it as a worthwhile direction for the IGF to take. We do not agree<br>on what NN means, how can it be a key architectural principle, more<br>that it already is?"<br><br>Norbert Bollow has replied to Avri's comment: "In my mind it is clear<br>enough what "net neutrality" means / should be understood to mean.<br>Some countries have passed NN legislation, in other countries
such<br>legislation is proposed / under consideration. This would make this in<br>my eyes a key issue to be discussed at the IGF, and if indeed it is not<br>clear enough what NN means, it should be made a major objective to<br>develop a shared understanding."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 12 / Nick's comment<br>=============================<br>Current text: "A possible overall theme for 2013 could be: “Meaningful<br>participation of all stakeholders in Internet governance”."<br><br>Nick Ashton-Hart has commented: "That is a possible theme, but it is<br>also really dry – and what connection does it have with the lives of<br>real Internet users? How about something like “How can Internet<br>Governance Benefit Users Worldwide?”"<br><br>Proposed resolution: Offer both proposals, resulting in:
"A possible<br>overall theme for 2013 could be: “Meaningful participation of all<br>stakeholders in Internet governance”, or “How can Internet<br>Governance Benefit Users Worldwide?”."<br><br>IT IS CLEAR NOW THAT THERE IS NO CONSENSUS FOR THIS PROPOSED<br>RESOLUTION. IT IS THEREFORE HEREBY DECLARED REJECTED. SINCE THE<br>COMMENT EXPLICITLY NOTED THAT THE SUGGESTION OF THE CURRENT TEXT IS<br>ACCEPTABLE, THE ISSUE IS THEREFORE CLOSED. <br><br><br>Paragraph 12 / Avri's comment<br>=============================<br>Current text: "A possible overall theme for 2013 could be: “Meaningful<br>participation of all stakeholders in Internet governance”."<br><br>Avri has commented: "what does Meaningful mean? I do not see this as a<br>significant topic for the IGF. It is an introspective organizational<br>topic not one that affect the Interent directly. Why have we given up<br>on Human Rights as a general theme?"<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet.
Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraphs 13 + 14 / Nick's comment<br>===================================<br>Current text of paragraph 13: "Main sessions and workshops should not<br>be competing with each other, as they are not substitutes. Workshops<br>are the best forum for self-selected groups to exchange information,<br>opinions and experiences. These can be more productive than main<br>sessions, but are often limited to narrow communities of interest and<br>can therefore lack external impact. Main sessions are better for<br>bringing the insights developed through workshops and dynamic coalition<br>members to the broader community of IGF participants, including those<br>with influence over or connections to processes of policy development.<br>Main sessions have the potential to allow for high-level<br>consensus-building and
strategising on how these insights can be<br>reflected in policy and/or technical processes elsewhere, sometimes<br>across issue areas: for example, messages on critical Internet<br>resources might also be relevant to those involved in security or<br>openness issues and vice versa. Therefore, main sessions should not be<br>treated as just “big workshops” relevant only to those with topical<br>interests, but should be for the broadest possible segment of the IGF<br>community to attend. Consequently, the programme should be restructured<br>so that main sessions and workshops are not happening at the same time.<br>Maybe the IGF could be extended to five says?"<br><br>Current text of paragraph 14: "Even then a reduction of the number of<br>main sessions and a reduction of the number of workshops is necessary.<br>The specific choice of main session topics should vary year by year to<br>address truly “hot topics” that are on the tips of tongues
everywhere."<br><br>Nick Ashton-Hart has attached the following comment to paragraph 13:<br>"There should not be ‘reruns’ of sessions held at previous IGFs and new<br>voices should be prioritised over those who have been heard from many<br>times."<br><br>Proposed resolution: Add Nick's text to the end or paragraph 14,<br>resulting in the following new text for paragraph 14: "Even then a<br>reduction of the number of main sessions and a reduction of the number<br>of workshops is necessary. The specific choice of main session topics<br>should vary year by year to address truly “hot topics” that are on the<br>tips of tongues everywhere. There should not be ‘reruns’ of sessions<br>held at previous IGFs and new voices should be prioritised over those<br>who have been heard from many times."<br><br><br>Paragraphs 13 + 14 / Arvi's comment<br>===================================<br>Current text of paragraph 13: "Main sessions and workshops should
not<br>be competing with each other, as they are not substitutes. Workshops<br>are the best forum for self-selected groups to exchange information,<br>opinions and experiences. These can be more productive than main<br>sessions, but are often limited to narrow communities of interest and<br>can therefore lack external impact. Main sessions are better for<br>bringing the insights developed through workshops and dynamic coalition<br>members to the broader community of IGF participants, including those<br>with influence over or connections to processes of policy development.<br>Main sessions have the potential to allow for high-level<br>consensus-building and strategising on how these insights can be<br>reflected in policy and/or technical processes elsewhere, sometimes<br>across issue areas: for example, messages on critical Internet<br>resources might also be relevant to those involved in security or<br>openness issues and vice versa.
Therefore, main sessions should not be<br>treated as just “big workshops” relevant only to those with topical<br>interests, but should be for the broadest possible segment of the IGF<br>community to attend. Consequently, the programme should be restructured<br>so that main sessions and workshops are not happening at the same time.<br>Maybe the IGF could be extended to five says?"<br><br>Current text of paragraph 14, with the possible change from the above<br>proposed resolution added in brackets: "Even then a reduction of the<br>number of main sessions and a reduction of the number of workshops is<br>necessary. The specific choice of main session topics should vary year<br>by year to address truly “hot topics” that are on the tips of tongues<br>everywhere. [There should not be ‘reruns’ of sessions held at previous<br>IGFs and new voices should be prioritised over those who have been<br>heard from many times.]"<br><br>Avri has attached the
following comment to paragraph 13: "I disagree, I<br>value the vary full schedule that give people a maximum choice. I know<br>some peopel would like to create an artificial shorage of sessions so<br>that their session gets greater traffic, but I prefer to see as many<br>different topics and themes covers and suggest that we continue to fill<br>all the room with worthwhile sessions. Yes, there should be an effort<br>to not schedule similar topic against each other so that people can<br>follw a thread, but I do not beleive that main sessions should be given<br>any priority over workshops. Personally I think it is unfortunate that<br>so much time is spent in main sessions and would prefer to see the<br>meeting limited to just 3 main sessions and then many workshops."<br><br>Proposed resolution: Since we do not have consensus on whether MAG<br>should limit the number of workshops, remove the text relating to<br>that point, resulting in the following text
for paragraph 14, with the<br>possible change from the above proposed resolution added in brackets:<br>"Even then a reduction of the number of main sessions is necessary. The<br>specific choice of main session topics should vary year by year to<br>address truly “hot topics” that are on the tips of tongues everywhere.<br>[There should not be ‘reruns’ of sessions held at previous IGFs and new<br>voices should be prioritised over those who have been heard from many<br>times.]"<br><br><br>Paragraph 15<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 15: "The formats of the main sessions should<br>be varied more. 3 hours is generally too long, some were poorly<br>attended in Baku and there were many grumbled complaints about poor<br>content, poor preparation, repeating issues from previous years, etc.<br>Some main sessions need better preparation (and some were good –<br>transcripts illustrate the differences), the MAG has an important fole<br>to
fulfil in regarding to ensuring good main sessions. Invite speakers<br>early. Find funds to support speakers. Planning of the sessions should<br>be more open and transparent."<br><br>Avri has commented: "The reason main session are ignored is because<br>they are old fashioned pabulum spooning opportunities. They are too big<br>for real participation by attendees, so they end up panels that seem to<br>even bore many of the panelists"<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 16<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 16: "It would be good to have one main<br>session with a completely different outcome-oriented format that is<br>more actively facilitated, for example a “speed dialogue” or a<br>“moderated debate”. Amongst the most important foundations for this<br>sort of format is that the
participants need to be empowered (ie. they<br>will produce something at the end), and that the power imbalances<br>between them are eliminated for the duration of the exercise (through<br>the way in which the process is facilitated)."<br><br>Avri has commented: "I think this is fine for workshop and even for<br>part of amin session, but fear a whole main session of this would just<br>be a garble."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 17<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 17: "Taking stock and emerging issues: Mix<br>the two sessions, that then justifies 3 hours. This will probably be<br>best held on the final morning (i.e. emerging issues become issues the<br>IGF thinks emerging as important for the coming year(s))."<br><br>Avri has commented: "I think taking stick is relatively
unimportant<br>since it is really just self aggrandizement. I think the emerging<br>issues is possible the most important and relevant of the main session<br>and should be one of the list bringing together all the emerging issues<br>that have come up during the week and those which were still not<br>advanced enough to be covered."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 19<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 19: "Critical Internet Resources was a strong<br>session in Baku, this justifies 3 hours. Keep this."<br><br>Avri has commented: "I think this may be getting old. I think that if<br>it becomes a review of the existing mechanisms, it may be worth doing,<br>but just to say the same things over and over and over year after year<br>after year is just unproductive."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None
yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 20<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 20: "New theme: Enhanced Cooperation.<br>Sessions in mixed formats over 1 day, e.g. Morning expert panel session<br>2 hours. Follow by a long break where people encouraged to join<br>self-organizing small groups (there probably needs to be active<br>facilitation of the process to encourage small groups to form with a<br>good mix of stakeholder categories) to discuss a few set questions and<br>ideas from the morning panel. Afternoon, 2 hour moderated session with<br>audience only, no panel/experts etc. Bring back comments from the<br>small groups."<br><br>Avri has commented: "I agree that this is a good direction to go in and<br>should be one of the two major focuses of the upcoming IGF – other than<br>Human Rights."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet.
Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 21 / suggestion to not reference "MS framework of commitments"<br>========================================================================<br>Current text of paragraph 21: "New theme: Internet rights and<br>principles. One day, perhaps same format as suggested for enhanced<br>cooperation. Or try something different. There was a proposal in Baku<br>to summarize all (national/regional/sectoral) “IG Declarations on<br>Principles” (25+) of the last three years and to produce a “compendium”<br>as a first step towards something like a multistakeholder framework of<br>commitments on Internet Governance Principles. Bali has to take the<br>next step and the MAG should pave the way for a more comprehensive and<br>analytical approach. It would be very good as well to link this into<br>the upcoming WSIS +10
(2015)"<br><br>Parminder commented: "A 'MS framework of commitments of IG principles'<br>was just one of the several proposals on the way/ manner to go forward<br>with developing Internet principles, and the nature of the ultimate<br>output of the process. There are many others. I do not agree to use one<br>specific proposal in this direction in the common IGC proposal... There<br>are people for instance who have at earlier times sought a framework <br>convention on the Internet (ITfC, IGP, APC). So lets not associate our <br>statement with one particular approach, about which, for one, I have <br>specific and clear reservations."<br><br>Proposed resolution: Remove the implied endorsement of the "MS framework<br>of commitments", resulting in the following new text for paragraph 21:<br>"New theme: Internet rights and principles. One day, perhaps same<br>format as suggested for enhanced cooperation. Or try something<br>different. There was a
proposal in Baku to summarize all<br>(national/regional/sectoral) “IG Declarations on Principles” (25+) of<br>the last three years and to produce a “compendium”. Bali has to take<br>the next step and the MAG should pave the way for a more comprehensive<br>and analytical approach. It would be very good as well to link this<br>into the upcoming WSIS +10 (2015)"<br><br><br><br>Paragraphs 21 and 22 / suggestions to add further points<br>========================================================<br>Current text of paragraph 21: "New theme: Internet rights and<br>principles. One day, perhaps same format as suggested for enhanced<br>cooperation. Or try something different. There was a proposal in Baku<br>to summarize all (national/regional/sectoral) “IG Declarations on<br>Principles” (25+) of the last three years and to produce a “compendium”<br>as a first step towards something like a multistakeholder framework of<br>commitments on
Internet Governance Principles. Bali has to take the<br>next step and the MAG should pave the way for a more comprehensive and<br>analytical approach. It would be very good as well to link this into<br>the upcoming WSIS +10 (2015)"<br><br>Current text of paragraph 22: "The development aspect of Internet<br>Governance has been generally overlooked in spite of the official<br>choice of the theme for the 2012 IGF, and too often “governance” is<br>lost as discussion focuses on IT for development. Open specific public<br>comment on design/scope of IG4D session. Bring back to the May meeting<br>to decide on topics and format."<br><br>Robert Guerra commented on paragraph 21: "Internet Rights theme –<br>specifically “Human Rights” was proposed at IGF Open consultation in<br>Feb 2012. Substantial conversation took place. No consensus from MAG to<br>proceed unfortunately."<br><br>Robert Guerra further commented on paragraph 21: "Development
agenda –<br>which is key aspect of Para. that creates IGF & WSIS II (TUnis) should<br>also be key issue / theme in Bali (in my opinion)"<br><br>Norbert Bollow replied to Robert Guerra: "Perhaps we could strengthen<br>paragraph 22 a bit… I’d very much appreciate concrete textual<br>suggestions to that effect."<br><br>Avri commented: "As part of the Human rights overal themes this seems<br>worth doing."<br><br>Nick Ashton-Hart commented on paragraph 22: "Given that WSIS+10 and the<br>review of the Millenium Development Goals are taking place in 2015, why<br>not bring the MDG follow up into the discussion of IG for development?"<br><br>Baudouin Schombe replied to Nick Ashton-Hart: "I support the proposal<br>of Nick and I think it would be a stone several times. This is also a<br>very good opportunity to evaluate the broad guidelines of the WSIS<br>Action Plan (2003)"<br><br>Proposed resolution: Add some additional points to paragraph
22,<br>resulting in the following new text for paragraph 22: "The development<br>aspect of Internet Governance has been generally overlooked in spite of<br>the official choice of the theme for the 2012 IGF, and too often<br>“governance” is lost as discussion focuses on IT for development. [A<br>question that should be considered in this context is: “How can human<br>rights based Internet governance principles support development?”]<br>[The development agenda, which is a key aspect of the part of the<br>Tunis agenda that creates the IGF, should also be a key theme in Bali.]<br>[Given that WSIS+10 and the review of the Millenium Development Goals<br>are taking place in 2015, why not bring the MDG follow up into the<br>discussion of IG for development?] [Also the WSIS of Action from 2003<br>could be looked at.] Open specific public comment on design/scope of<br>IG4D session. Bring back to the May meeting to decide on topics
and<br>format."<br><br>Note: In the above, I have marked four separate insertions. If you<br>object, please indicate specifically which insertion(s) you object to.<br><br><br>Paragraph 26<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 26: "At the 2012 IGF, there were too many<br>workshops. Cut to between 80 and 100. Make this target number known<br>when the call for applications is published, might be the first time<br>quite a large number of proposals are rejected (might think about<br>implications of this for the IGF), people should expect to be<br>disappointed"<br><br>Avri commented: "I disagree about their being too many workshops. there<br>should be as many workshops as there is room and good workshops. Yes<br>the MAG should have standards and should be strict about workshops<br>meeting those standards, but there should not be an artificial shortage<br>of opportunities for workshops."<br><br>Proposed resolution: Since we do not have consensus
on whether MAG<br>should limit the number of workshops, remove this paragraph in its<br>entirety. (The point about having standards and being strict about<br>those standards is covered in paragraph 27.)<br><br><br>Paragraph 28<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 28: "For workshops, keep the current themes<br>(access, SOP [security/openness/privacy], IG4D [Internet governance for<br>development], CIR [critical Internet resources], emerging issues)."<br><br>Avri commented: "I think the categories should be examined. I see<br>little point in CIR, unless it becomes review of CIR institutions."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 29<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 29: "Have the MAG better define Internet<br>Governance, how it must be considered in workshop proposals (there are<br>other spaces
in WSIS follow-up for non-IG issues). Use an evaluation<br>form for workshops (at the moment don’t even know if a room was empty<br>or overflowing, simple count a good idea.) However, indications are<br>that while there were too many workshops in Baku many were strong in<br>content, well received. MAG should not cut what looks like a success<br>to favor the floundering main sessions."<br><br>Avri commented: "Internet governance is well defined between the WGIG<br>report, the WGIG Background report and the TA, i do not see the MAG<br>getting into a discussion of what Ig is? Perhaps as a workshop idea,<br>people can examine these many working definitions to see if there is a<br>cause for updating, but the MAG is not the place for this. The MAG<br>should be a doer, not another body on introspecting academics. thee is<br>a place for academic conjecture, but the MAG is not it."<br><br>Proposed resolution: Make the text of paragraph 29
clearer so<br>that it cannot be misunderstood as asking for a redefinition of<br>Internet Governance, resulting in the following new text for paragraph<br>29: "Clearly state in the call for workshop proposals that the<br>proposed workshops shall relate to Internet Governance (as the<br>term is defined in the WGIG report, the WGIG Background report and the<br>Tunis Agenda); there are other spaces in WSIS follow-up for non-IG<br>issues. Use an evaluation form for workshops (at the moment don’t<br>even know if a room was empty or overflowing, simple count a good<br>idea.) However, indications are that while there were too many<br>workshops in Baku, many were strong in content, well received. MAG<br>should not cut what looks like a success to favor the floundering main<br>sessions."<br><br><br>Paragraph 30<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 30: "Merging is not the always the solution,<br>it’s too easy an answer for MAG in
their evaluation to say merge simply<br>because proposals have similar words in the title. If merging proposed<br>then the new workshop needs support or tendency to end up with 2<br>workshops in the same space (merge in name only)."<br><br>Avri commented: "Merging is rarely the solution. If two are the same<br>the MAG should pick one based on its objective criteria, and make them<br>responsible integrating what they can of the other."<br><br>Proposed resolution: Replace paragraph 30 with the text of Avri's<br>comment.<br><br><br>Paragraph 31<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 31: "The rules for other sessions (open<br>forums, dynamic coalition, etc.) should be clarified."<br><br>Avri commented: "No matter how clear they are made, and they were<br>rather clear last year, people will abuse those definitions. the point<br>is for the MAG and secretariat to live up to the defintiions and<br>criteria."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet.
Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 32<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 32: "The IGF pre-events have to be revisited<br>and should receive more attention in terms of planning and projection<br>as these are receiving a lot of attention by participants."<br><br>Avri commented: "And yet these need to remain separate from the IGF so<br>they are not reduced to lowest common form as many other session under<br>the auspice of the IGF are."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 36<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 36: "On-site Internet connectivity should be<br>IPv4/IPv6 dual-stack."<br><br>Robert Guerra commented: "Suggest that DNSSEC also be provided."<br><br>Norbert Bollow replied:
"How would they “provide” DNSSEC over an<br>unsecured wireless connection??? I’d suggest that if while using such<br>connections you want the security benefits that DNSSEC can provide, you<br>need to run an DNSSEC-enabled DNS resolver on your own device."<br><br>Adam commented: "Rather than getting into the specifics of technical<br>and other specifications for the IGF site, suggest we ask that the<br>logistics section of the host country agreement be made public so<br>stakeholders can comment."<br><br>Proposed resolution: Add the following text as a new paragraph between<br>paragraphs 35 and 36: "A draft of the logistics plan for internet<br>connectivity and other aspects of the meeting venue should be made<br>public, and stakeholders should be invited to comment."<br><br><br>Paragraph 46<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 46: "The sudden shift of Open Consultations<br>and MAG meetings from Geneva to France for February 2013 without
open<br>consultation and comments from the community puts a severe logistical<br>pressure on participation for those that find it a challenge to already<br>participate in such meetings. This shift enables only certain<br>individuals to participate that can freely move around EU but for<br>people that need to acquire visas to travel to Switzerland and<br>participate from outside of Europe are posed with a big challenge.<br>Should they apply to Swiss or to the French and how does one explain<br>why one is taking the visa of one country to participate in the other<br>and how does the IGF Secretariat plan to manage this?"<br><br>Avri commented: "I do not understand this. Is the problem that they<br>need 2 visas? that I understand. I do not understand the choice issue."<br><br>Norbert Bollow replied: "I believe the problem is in regard to people<br>from countries whose citizens have a hard time getting visas for<br>Europe. Applying for a Swiss visa will be
hard to justify for attending<br>a meeting in Paris. On the other hand, the IGF secretariat (which<br>happens to be in Geneva, Switzerland) probably does not have the kind<br>of relationship with the French authorities that would allow it to<br>assist with applications for French visas."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br>Paragraph 50<br>============<br>Current text of paragraph 50: "IGF should put out a call for host<br>country expression of interest, with clearly laid out principles and<br>process for selection, instead of simply waiting for offers."<br><br>Avri commented: "ho about adding the notion of a public comment on the<br>applicant hosts before a desion is made. And who is to make this<br>decision. I beleive that is something that the MAG should make a<br>recommendation on to the powers that
be."<br><br>Proposed resolution: None yet. Please propose specific text. If no<br>specific proposal is made, by default no change will be made to<br>the draft text.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"
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