<p>Thanks to Luoisn Riaz and Karl</p>
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<p>for re-focusing the debate on networking basics on this list. I fully support this approach and o hope it will not only raise and deal with interesting questions but also give Internet governance the intelligent tools it is missing. </p>
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<p>Jean-Louis Fullsack</p>
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<p>NB : CYCLADES reminds me some (far) souvenirs, dear Louis !<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #ff0000 2px solid;">> Message du 04/02/13 17:08<br />> De : "Louis Pouzin (well)" <br />> A : governance@lists.igcaucus.org, "Karl Auerbach" <br />> Copie à : <br />> Objet : [governance] We need a new formulation of end-to-end analysis<br />> <br />>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Karl Auerbach <span><<a href="mailto:karl@cavebear.com" target="_blank">karl@cavebear.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />> <br />>
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<div class="im">On 01/24/2013 08:20 AM, Riaz K Tayob wrote:<br />> <br />> > We need a new formulation of end-to-end analysis<br />> ><br />> > End-to-end analysis is the major theoretization of the Internet that was<br />> > proposed by Jerome Saltzer, David Reed and David Clark<br />></div>
> <<a href="http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/Papers/EndtoEnd.html" target="_blank">http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/Papers/EndtoEnd.html</a>><br />> <br />> Less on topic and more of a question about internet history...<br />> <br />> I had always attributed the idea of moving intelligence out of the<br />> packet switches and into the attached hosts came from Cyclades (from our friend on this list Louis Pouzin). Is my understanding incorrect?<br />> <span class="HOEnZb"><span style="color: #888888;"><br />> --karl--<br />> </span></span></blockquote>
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<div><br />> Hi Karl, and other end-to-end debaters,<br />> <br />> An article by <strong>Richard Bennett </strong>presents a fine analysis of end-to-end principles, their origins, innovations, evolutions and distortions.<br />> <br />> <strong>Designed for Change: End-to-End Arguments, Internet Innovation, and the Net Neutrality Debate<br />> </strong><br />> <a href="http://www.itif.org/files/2009-designed-for-change.pdf">http://www.itif.org/files/2009-designed-for-change.pdf</a><br />> <br />> an excerpt:<br />> <br />> « The Internet is an adaptable system because its experimental character provides it with a built-in learning function that enables engineers to make network and protocol design decisions empirically. It’s fair to say that its design is dictated more by a commitment to continual improvement than by obedience to hard and fast rules: It was meant to be a system in which experiments would have the consequence of improving the network. This method of designing networks was pioneered by CYCLADES, the datagram network created by Louis Pouzin in France in the early 1970s, and was subsequently adopted by the Internet and several other networks. The experimental approach to network design and operation is challenged by the modern-day network neutrality framework, which relies more on a rigid system of rules to make decisions about the placement of network functions than on experience and empirical evidence. »<br />> <br />> Enjoy, Louis<br />> <br />></div>
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