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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="+1">Hi all friends,<br>
<br>
This so called RFC belongs to a war machine against ITU and
really international organ<font size="+1">izations</font>.<br>
Even inside ISOC some voices are claiming that <span
style="color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0)"><span style="color:rgba(0, 0,
0, 1.0)"><span style="color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0)"><span
style="color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0)"><span
style="color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0)"><font color="black"><span
style="color: black;">we absolutely need the ITU's
good work in Development, Spectrum and Standards</span></font></span></span></span></span></span>.<br>
Neither ITU, nor ICANN, nor IEEE, nor ISOC are perfect. Let's
aim to get better from all of them. <br>
And fi<font size="+1">rs</font>t, that's clear, a consideration
of the "no business - no competition" part of Internet. That's a
minimum requirement from <font size="+1">civil society.</font><br>
And a consideration of worldwide cultural diversity.</font><br>
<br>
<font size="+1">@+, best regards,</font><br>
<br>
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Société européenne de l'Internet
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Le 29/01/13 19:58, michael gurstein a écrit :<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I want to be clear... <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Do I take it that you (and others who
want to sign on to RFC 6852) agree with a statement of
Internet standard setting "core values and principles" which <o:p></o:p></p>
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sole measure of assessment "market success"; <o:p></o:p></p>
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core element, the Internet's role in supporting the "public
interest"; and<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->makes provision for
"competition" on and through the Internet but not for example,
for "collaboration"?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] On Behalf Of
Avri Doria<br>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:07 PM<br>
To: IGC<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Towards an IGC Statement on RFC 6852
"Affirmation of the Modern Paradigm for Standards"</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 28 Jan 2013, at 12:59, michael
gurstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> This is a shameful and shamefully
partisan and narrow document and <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> should be disavowed by any right
thinking individual or group with a <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> commitment to the future of the
Internet as a basis for the well-being of humanity.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">wow!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">so anyone who does not agree that the
document should be disavowed, but who rather thinks we should
work with them to expand their viewpoint to include civil
society is not a right thinking individual. yes as s civil
society member who is a member of ISOC and who participates in
IETF (though never having gotten to close to the IAB, though
some friends serve and have served) I was disappointed in its
purely business view. but in general I think the sentiment
about technopolicy and its independence from government
oversight was essentially correct.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Your absolute condemnations of all who
do not agree with you seems akin to name calling.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">As i praised RFC6852 for what it tried
to do, though commented on a few flaws, i proudly count myself
among those who you beleive are not right thinking
individuals.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">avri<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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