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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>I want to be clear... <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Do I take it that you (and others who want to sign on to RFC 6852) agree with a statement of Internet standard setting "core values and principles" which <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>does not make provision for "inclusion"; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>appears to take as its sole measure of assessment "market success"; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>does not include as a core element, the Internet's role in supporting the "public interest"; and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>makes provision for "competition" on and through the Internet but not for example, for "collaboration"?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<br>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:07 PM<br>To: IGC<br>Subject: Re: [governance] Towards an IGC Statement on RFC 6852 "Affirmation of the Modern Paradigm for Standards"</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 28 Jan 2013, at 12:59, michael gurstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> This is a shameful and shamefully partisan and narrow document and <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> should be disavowed by any right thinking individual or group with a <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> commitment to the future of the Internet as a basis for the well-being of humanity.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>wow!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>so anyone who does not agree that the document should be disavowed, but who rather thinks we should work with them to expand their viewpoint to include civil society is not a right thinking individual. yes as s civil society member who is a member of ISOC and who participates in IETF (though never having gotten to close to the IAB, though some friends serve and have served) I was disappointed in its purely business view. but in general I think the sentiment about technopolicy and its independence from government oversight was essentially correct.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Your absolute condemnations of all who do not agree with you seems akin to name calling.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>As i praised RFC6852 for what it tried to do, though commented on a few flaws, i proudly count myself among those who you beleive are not right thinking individuals.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>avri<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>