<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks! It is good to open e discussion on circled as it attracts a larger audience that is informed on these issues. I thank you for taking the time to p your thoughts there, and to respond.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 27-Jan-2013, at 4:58, "Katim S. Touray" <<a href="mailto:kstouray@gmail.com">kstouray@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Suresh,</div><div> </div><div>I just posted a response to your comments on my CircleID article. Here's the link to my response:</div><div><a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130122_much_ado_about_wcit_12_and_multi_stakeholderism/#9232">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130122_much_ado_about_wcit_12_and_multi_stakeholderism/#9232</a></div>
<div> </div><div>Thanks, and have a great weekend!</div><div> </div><div>Katim</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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As promised a few days ago, here's the link to my CircleID article on<br>
WCIT-12 and multi-stakeholderism:<br>
<a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130122_much_ado_about_wcit_12_and_multi_stakeholderism/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/<u></u>20130122_much_ado_about_wcit_<u></u>12_and_multi_stakeholderism/</a><br>
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Thanks. There are a few issues here I would differ with.<br>
<br>
Some of the problem here doesn't involve the fact that governments have a<br>
role in internet governance - it involves an objection to the ITU allowing<br>
scope creep into its mandate, to cover issues that more countries than just<br>
the USA (so hardly "exceptionalism" or "unilateralism") have differed with.<br>
<br>
As for Africa and its lack of participation in internet governance<br>
structures, part of it has to do with capacity building for government,<br>
industry and civil society stakeholders, while monopoly and competition<br>
policy issues some due to geography, given africa's landlocked nature and<br>
difficult terrain that makes slow and expensive satellite connectivity a<br>
necessity, some due to government monopolies on the Internet and telecom,<br>
while others can be laid to the door of various other factors, such as a<br>
lack of stable government, cutting off the Internet to prevent opponents<br>
from organizing themselves using it (as in Syria, and before that in<br>
Qaddafi's Libya ..). <br>
I am afraid this can't all be blamed on US exceptionalism, and while there<br>
is a substantial amount of aid in material, capacity building etc that can<br>
be (and is) provided by local and international NGOs who set up ISP<br>
exchange points, hold training workshops etc, a substantial local effort is<br>
also needed before you will see the situation improve.<br>
<br>
On the DoC / NTIA oversight of ICANN / IANA, it has been mostly hands off,<br>
only stepping in where there have been cases where DoC appears to feel that<br>
there are governance issues involved. Or have you seen them try to revoke<br>
.cu, .sy, .kp just because Cuba, Syria and North Korea are in the state<br>
department's OFAC blacklist of entities American firms are forbidden to<br>
trade with?<br>
<br>
I'll post the same thing on circleid to kickstart the discussion there.<br>
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thanks<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
suresh<br>
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