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<div style="direction:ltr; font-family:Tahoma; color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Hey Michael,<br>
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Points well taken, as are Avri's comments.<br>
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There is also a Third Way ; )<br>
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For IGC's position, I might suggest we support RFC 6852 since it is better than its absence; perhaps taking time to follow whatever procedure to try to formally include some of Michael's language.
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An offer of a quote from a standards-knowledgable co-coordinator like Norbert on behalf of IGC might be well-received, eve if it includes some form of 'but...' along the lines of Michael's additions.<br>
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Finally, fyi WiGiT v0.2 open spec draft already folds in the 'official' open standards statement; which we will refine as Michael suggests. I will share v0.2 with the list upon its Feb. 1 or latest Feb. 4 release.
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Lee<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; 'Avri Doria'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> housley@vigilsec.com; s.mills@ieee.org; jeff@w3.org; bernard_aboba@hotmail.com; st.amour@isoc.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] RFC 6852: Affirmation of the Modern Paradigm for Standards--Some Comments<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Avri and Stephane, and all</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I gather that this is a "take it or leave it" i.e. no possibility for having input into the document? If there is a possibiity I would like to contribute my comments as interspersed below to a further revision of this document.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Please note my comments as a to a document which I would otherwise be pleased to support...</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Affirmation of the Modern Paradigm for Standards</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Abstract</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> On 29 August 2012, the leaders of the IEEE Standards Association, the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> IAB, the IETF, the Internet Society, and the W3C signed a statement</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> affirming the importance of a jointly developed set of principles</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> establishing a modern paradigm for global, open standards. These</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> principles have become known as the "OpenStand" principles. This</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> document contains the text of the affirmation that was signed.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Status of This Memo</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> This document is not an Internet Standards Track specification; it is</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> published for informational purposes.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> This document is a product of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB)</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and represents information that the IAB has deemed valuable to</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> provide for permanent record. It represents the consensus of the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Internet Architecture Board (IAB). Documents approved for</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> publication by the IAB are not a candidate for any level of Internet</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Standard; see Section 2 of RFC 5741.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Information about the current status of this document, any errata,</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and how to provide feedback on it may be obtained at</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6852.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">RFC 6852 Modern Paradigm for Standards January 2013</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Copyright Notice</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Copyright (c) 2013 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> document authors. All rights reserved.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Provisions Relating to IETF Documents</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> publication of this document. Please review these documents</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> to this document.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">1. Introduction</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> On 29 August 2012, the leaders of the IEEE Standards Association, the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> IAB, the IETF, the Internet Society, and the W3C signed a statement</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> affirming the importance of a jointly developed set of principles</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> establishing a modern paradigm for global, open standards. These</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> principles have become known as the "OpenStand" principles.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Section 2 of this document describes the five OpenStand principles.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Section 3 of this document contains the text of the signed</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> affirmation of the five OpenStand principles. Section 4 contains a</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> call for others to support the five OpenStand principles.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">2. Modern Paradigm for Standards</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Over the past several decades, the global economy has realized a huge</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> bounty due to the Internet and the World Wide Web. These could not</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> have been possible without the innovations and standardization of</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> many underlying technologies. This standardization occurred with</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> great speed and effectiveness only because of key characteristics of</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> a modern global standards paradigm. The affirmation below</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> characterizes the principles that have led to this success as a means</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> to ensure acceptance of standards activities that adhere to the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> principles.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: AGREED...</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> We embrace a modern paradigm for standards where the economics of</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> global markets, fueled by technological advancements, drive global</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> deployment of standards regardless of their formal status.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: AGREED</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> In this paradigm standards support interoperability, foster global</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> competition, are developed through an open participatory process, and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> are voluntarily adopted globally. </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: AGREED</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">These voluntary standards serve as</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> building blocks for products and services targeted at meeting the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> needs of the market and consumer, thereby driving innovation.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Innovation in turn contributes to the creation of new markets and the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> growth and expansion of existing markets.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: DON'T THE STANDARDS ALSO AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY, PROVIDE THE BUILDING BLOCK FOR PUBLIC SERVICES, SUPPORT THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND ENABLE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INTERNET AS A GLOBAL PUBLIC GOOD?</b></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Participation in the modern paradigm demands:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 1. Cooperation. Respectful cooperation between standards</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> organizations, whereby each respects the autonomy, integrity,</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> processes, and intellectual property rules of the others.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b> </b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: AGREED</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 2. Adherence to principles. Adherence to the five fundamental</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> principles of standards development:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * Due process. Decisions are made with equity and fairness among</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> participants. No one party dominates or guides standards</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> development. Standards processes are transparent and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> opportunities exist to appeal decisions. Processes for periodic</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> standards review and updating are well defined.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * Broad consensus. Processes allow for all views to be considered</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and addressed, such that agreement can be found across a range</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> of interests.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * Transparency. Standards organizations provide advance public</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> notice of proposed standards development activities, the scope</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> of work to be undertaken, and conditions for participation.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Easily accessible records of decisions and the materials used in</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> reaching those decisions are provided. Public comment periods</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> are provided before final standards approval and adoption.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * Balance. Standards activities are not exclusively dominated by</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> any particular person, company or interest group.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * Openness. Standards processes are open to all interested and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> informed parties.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: AGREED</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 3. Collective empowerment. Commitment by affirming standards</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> organizations and their participants to collective empowerment by</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> striving for standards that:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * are chosen and defined based on technical merit, as judged by</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> the contributed expertise of each participant;</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * provide global interoperability, scalability, stability, and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> resiliency;</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * enable global competition;</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: WHAT ABOUT ENABLING GLOBAL COOPERATION AS WELL AS COMPETITION?</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * serve as building blocks for further innovation; and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> * contribute to the creation of global communities, benefiting</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> humanity.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: WHAT ABOUT CONTRIBUTING TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND TO ENABLING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INTERNET AS A GLOBAL PUBLIC GOOD?</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 4. Availability. Standards specifications are made accessible to all</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> for implementation and deployment. Affirming standards</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> organizations have defined procedures to develop specifications</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> that can be implemented under fair terms. Given market diversity,</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> fair terms may vary from royalty-free to fair, reasonable, and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> non-discriminatory terms (FRAND).</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: WHAT ABOUT NON-MARKET BASED FORMS OF IMPLEMENTATION?</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 5. Voluntary adoption. Standards are voluntarily adopted and success</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> is determined by the market.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: IS SUCCESS IN THE MARKET THE ONLY POSSIBLE MEANS OF VALIDATION OF STANDARDS--HAVE THEIR POSSIBLE CONTRIBUTION TO ENHANCING THE GLOBAL PUBLIC GOOD/GLOBAL PUBLIC WELL-BEING BEEN CONSIDERED AS WELL?
</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">3. Affirmation</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> We embrace a modern paradigm for standards where the economics of</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> global markets, fueled by technological advancements, drive global</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> deployment of standards regardless of their formal status.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: COULDN'T THE REALIZATION OF THE STANDARDS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST BE EQUALLY, IF NOT MORE IMPORTANT, AS A PARADIGM DETERMINING DEPLOYMENT?</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> In this paradigm standards support interoperability, foster global</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> competition, are developed through an open participatory process, and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> are voluntarily adopted globally. These voluntary standards serve as</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> building blocks for products and services targeted at meeting the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> needs of the market and consumer, thereby driving innovation.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Innovation in turn contributes to the creation of new markets and the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> growth and expansion of existing markets.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: COULD THIS PARADIGM NOT INCLUDE SUPPORTING GLOBAL COOPERATION AND PROVIDING BUILDING BLOCKS FOR DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE PUBLIC GOOD.</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b> </b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MG: SHOULD NOT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF STANDARDS AS SUPPORTIVE OF BROAD BASED<u> INLUSION</u> BE INCLUDED AS A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE--INCLUDING INCLUSION OF THOSE WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES, THOSE IN RURAL AND REMOTE LOCATION, THOSE WHO
ARE SOCIALLY AND ECONOMICALLY MARGINALIZED?</b></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>MIKE GURSTEIN</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> By signing this statement, we affirm our support for and adherence to</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> these principles.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lynn St.Amour</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> President and CEO</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Internet Society</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Russ Housley</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Chair</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Internet Engineering Task Force</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Bernard Aboba</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Chair</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Internet Architecture Board</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Jaffe</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> CEO</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> W3C</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Mills</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> President</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> IEEE Standards Association</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Housley, et al. Informational [Page 4]</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">RFC 6852 Modern Paradigm for Standards January 2013</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">4. Call for Endorsement</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> We invite other standards organizations, governments, corporations</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and technology innovators globally to support these principles. You</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> can publicly show your support at <http://www.open-stand.org>.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">5. Security Considerations</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nothing in this document directly affects the security of the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Internet.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">6. IAB Members at Time of Approval</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Internet Architecture Board Members at the time this document was</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> approved were:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Bernard Aboba</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jari Arkko</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marc Blanchet</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Ross Callon</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alissa Cooper</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Spencer Dawkins</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Joel Halpern</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Russ Housley</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> David Kessens</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Danny McPherson</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jon Peterson</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Dave Thaler</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Hannes Tschofenig</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Authors' Addresses</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Russ Housley</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> EMail: housley@vigilsec.com</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Mills</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> EMail: s.mills@ieee.org</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Jaffe</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> EMail: jeff@w3.org</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Bernard Aboba</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> EMail: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lynn St.Amour</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> EMail: st.amour@isoc.org</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<br>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:50 AM<br>
To: IGC<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] RFC 6852: Affirmation of the Modern Paradigm for Standards</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On 26 Jan 2013, at 09:12, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> <a href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6852.txt" target="_blank">
<span style="color:windowtext; text-decoration:none">http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6852.txt</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> (It is the OpenStand declaration, republished as a RFC. Key words:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> standards, IETF, ITU, IEEE, W3C...)</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">It is a good document.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">At end thee is a call:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">"</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">4. Call for Endorsement</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> We invite other standards organizations, governments, corporations</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and technology innovators globally to support these principles. You</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> can publicly show your support at <<a href="http://www.open-stand.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext; text-decoration:none">http://www.open-stand.org</span></a>>.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">"</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">While the IGC is not among the : " standards organizations, governments, corporations</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> and technology innovators"</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">and while it is unfortunate that they neglected to call for support from civil society (a blind spot which I beleive often gets in way of getting civil society support and cooperation)</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Perhaps we should discuss supporting, or at least finding, a broad IGC consensus on this document.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">avri</p>
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