<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx" target="_blank">apisan@unam.mx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>in the same "what if" vein... what if the clever boffins in the OECD have realized that there is nothing exceptional about money made over the Internet, and leave it to each country to continue to try to exact taxes from income, profits and rents, as the
countries' laws, regional arrangements, multipartite and global treaties mandate and allow? Wouldn't they be even more keen in stopping gaps and diversion schemes than any participant in these discussions is? (you said they are clever, they are boffins, and
they are in the OECD... the rest is my second guessing.) </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Of relevance in this instance would be the <b>OECD Technology Advisory Group</b> that comprises of Tax (Revenue Authorities) that conduct the Professional Data Assessment and members from the Technology community namely:<br>
<ul><li>USA (IRS)</li><li>UK (Inland Revenue)</li><li>Canada</li><li>Ireland</li><li>Australia</li><li>France</li><li>British Telecom</li><li>CISCO</li><li>Ernst & Young</li><li>Eurobit</li><li>European Certification Forum</li>
<li>Hewlett Packard Labs (UK)</li><li>Hitachi</li><li>IBM</li><li>ICANN</li><li>Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)</li><li>Mondex</li><li>National Association of Software and Services Companies (NASSCOM) - India</li><li>
Nippon<br></li><li>Telegraph and Telecom</li><li>Oracle<br> </li></ul></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
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<div>They may also be truly concerned about maintaining the technical integrity and global seamlessness of the Internet. I know a few people who share all these characteristics. Anyone talking to them to find out directly?</div>
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<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 22 de enero de 2013 16:38<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; 'Nick Ashton-Hart'<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> RE: [governance] France Proposes an Internet Tax<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As an aside and addressed to no one in particular, it occurs to me that for those who are truly concerned about maintaining the technical integrity and global
seamlessness of the Internet should be looking to find appropriate and globally equitable means for taxation of Internet related activities rather than presenting ideologically based anti-tax posturing.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">France may or may not succeed with this particular initiative, but behind them are most of the other OECD countries and behind them is the rest of the world
looking to get some fair share from rapidly escalating Internet based revenues. Better to my mind to have a reasonable and technically compliant plan in place than to attempt to play catch up as every country thunders forward with its own national taxation
scheme and chaos in some form ensues…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(Anyone want to bet that the clever boffins in the OECD aren't already working in this direction?</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Ashton-Hart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Drake<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] France Proposes an Internet Tax</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">We've found that there's a need for much more coordination and consultation between ministries responsible for ITU matters and trade ministries. </p>
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On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:22, William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart <<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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