<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I am afraid quoting Wikipedia as a primary source is just not on. And you are still wrong to practice a divisive brand of politics in this community to the exclusion of pretty much everything else.</div><div><br></div><div>You can advocate a wide range of issues without descending into the realm of politics where the goal is a battle for control rather than constructive engagement and mutual assistance.  There is a huge difference in approach when you start out with a development viewpoint as opposed to a political viewpoint.<br><br>While this is from organizations you have previously expressed a great deal of contempt for (the OECD, world bank etc) this link is worth reading. <a href="http://www.publicprivatedialogue.org/">http://www.publicprivatedialogue.org/</a></div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 20-Jan-2013, at 16:33, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 20 January 2013 04:09 PM,
      Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
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      <div>So, exceptionalism is a thinly disguised phrase for the
        grossest type of national chauvinism. Thanks for spraining it in
        such excruciating detail,<br>
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        And here, we see that anybody at all who supports the existing
        multistakeholder bodies and their historic origins is branded an
        exceptionalist.</div>
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      <div>I am afraid that the days are long past when naming a person
        or group as an "evil running dog of caplitalism", or similar
        pleasantries, was thought to be an effective and accepted form
        of argument.</div>
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      <div>If you simply try to fit an obscure catchphrase to describe
        and dismiss a complex system of people and institutions that are
        actually multistakeholder in nature, you demonstrate an
        unwillingness to actually engage in rationed argument, and a
        contempt for the other side's ideas.</div>
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      <div>You can't complain of a lack of civil discourse by others
        while throwing around cant phrases thst show a casual disrespect
        for what they advocate.  If you say this is a "political"
        discussion and these are appropriate words to use in such a
        discussion, my reply would be to ask why you keep trying to
        engage in politics rather than trying to engage constructively
        with others on the caucus.</div>
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    Just one last comment which may throw some light for you on what
    this group is. And if you are so contemptuous of political
    processes, you must look to be in other groups than this. This group
    is POLITICAL.<br>
    <br>
    From the IGC charter<br>
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    The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a
    forum for discussion, <i><b>advocacy</b></i>, action, ....<br>
    <br>
    From wikipedia <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy</a> <br>
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    <b>Advocacy</b><b> is a</b><b><u> </u></b><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science" title="Political science">political process</a></b><b><u> </u></b>by
    an individual or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_group" title="Advocacy
      group">group</a> which aims to influence public-policy and
    resource allocation decisions within political, economic, and social
    systems and institutions.<br>
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    parminder <br>
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      <div>--srs (iPad)</div>
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        On 20-Jan-2013, at 15:38, parminder <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 20 January 2013 03:00
            PM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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                <div style="line-height:19.190340042114258px">I don't
                  recall support the notion of US Exceptionalism from
                  anyone on this list.  <br>
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          No one will profess that term for oneself. However, clearly it
          is US Exceptionalism being practised when:<br>
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          1. anyone agrees or shows strong sympathy with the view that
          US has (not just 'had') a 'historic role' in the evolution of
          the Internet (and perhaps in protection of its 'basic
          principles', whatever it may mean) and <i>therefore</i> some
          degree of continued pre-eminence of the US government in some
          key IG arrangements, including of the CIRs, is fine/
          acceptable...<br>
          <br>
          2. anyone is fine with US laws/ courts/ executive/ statutory
          authorities (FCC, FTC etc) determine much of how the
          Internet's architecture develops, whether through US law/
          jurisdiction’s application on the ICANN, or on most of the
          monopoly global Internet mega-corporates.... <br>
          <br>
          In fact, if the IGC can agree that such US exceptionalism is <i>wrong

            and unacceptable</i>, and sincerely begins to make political
          proposals to come out of it, we would have reconciled a lot of
          political differences among the members of IGC, and also made
          a great contribution to the area of global governance of the
          Internet.<br>
          <br>
          parminder <br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM,
                Guru गुरु <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Guru@itforchange.net" target="_blank">Guru@itforchange.net</a>></span>
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                      <div>On 01/20/2013 01:16 AM, John Curran wrote:<br>
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                        <div>On Jan 19, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Riaz K Tayob
                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com" target="_blank">riaz.tayob@gmail.com</a>>
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                                <div>[The Panglossian world of US
                                  Exceptionalism.... of course these
                                  matters are discussed and debated, but
                                  dare to do anything about it and then
                                  those will be put in their place, or
                                  no?]<br>
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                                <div> The Overzealous Prosecution of
                                  Aaron Swartz</div>
                                <div> <cite> By <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/view/bios/stephen-carter/" target="_blank">Stephen L. Carter</a>
                                  </cite> <cite> <span style="display:inline">Jan 18,
                                      2013 1:30 AM GMT+0200</span> </cite>
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                          <div>Riaz - </div>
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                          <div>A very good question; I personally don't
                            subscribe to a view of US Exceptionalism </div>
                          <div>(that's likely because I've travelled a
                            bit and can more readily make comparisons),</div>
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                    John,<br>
                    <br>
                    Do you mean you do not think US is exceptional / it
                    is wrong to believe that the US is exceptional<br>
                    or<br>
                    Do you mean that there is no belief prevalent about
                    US exceptionalism<br>
                    <br>
                    Can you elaborate on this remark<br>
                    <br>
                    thanks,<br>
                    Guru<br>
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