<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I am afraid quoting Wikipedia as a primary source is just not on. And you are still wrong to practice a divisive brand of politics in this community to the exclusion of pretty much everything else.</div><div><br></div><div>You can advocate a wide range of issues without descending into the realm of politics where the goal is a battle for control rather than constructive engagement and mutual assistance. There is a huge difference in approach when you start out with a development viewpoint as opposed to a political viewpoint.<br><br>While this is from organizations you have previously expressed a great deal of contempt for (the OECD, world bank etc) this link is worth reading. <a href="http://www.publicprivatedialogue.org/">http://www.publicprivatedialogue.org/</a></div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 20-Jan-2013, at 16:33, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>So, exceptionalism is a thinly disguised phrase for the
grossest type of national chauvinism. Thanks for spraining it in
such excruciating detail,<br>
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And here, we see that anybody at all who supports the existing
multistakeholder bodies and their historic origins is branded an
exceptionalist.</div>
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<div>I am afraid that the days are long past when naming a person
or group as an "evil running dog of caplitalism", or similar
pleasantries, was thought to be an effective and accepted form
of argument.</div>
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<div>If you simply try to fit an obscure catchphrase to describe
and dismiss a complex system of people and institutions that are
actually multistakeholder in nature, you demonstrate an
unwillingness to actually engage in rationed argument, and a
contempt for the other side's ideas.</div>
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<div>You can't complain of a lack of civil discourse by others
while throwing around cant phrases thst show a casual disrespect
for what they advocate. If you say this is a "political"
discussion and these are appropriate words to use in such a
discussion, my reply would be to ask why you keep trying to
engage in politics rather than trying to engage constructively
with others on the caucus.</div>
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Just one last comment which may throw some light for you on what
this group is. And if you are so contemptuous of political
processes, you must look to be in other groups than this. This group
is POLITICAL.<br>
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From the IGC charter<br>
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The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a
forum for discussion, <i><b>advocacy</b></i>, action, ....<br>
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From wikipedia <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy</a> <br>
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<b>Advocacy</b><b> is a</b><b><u> </u></b><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science" title="Political science">political process</a></b><b><u> </u></b>by
an individual or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_group" title="Advocacy
group">group</a> which aims to influence public-policy and
resource allocation decisions within political, economic, and social
systems and institutions.<br>
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parminder <br>
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recall support the notion of US Exceptionalism from
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No one will profess that term for oneself. However, clearly it
is US Exceptionalism being practised when:<br>
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1. anyone agrees or shows strong sympathy with the view that
US has (not just 'had') a 'historic role' in the evolution of
the Internet (and perhaps in protection of its 'basic
principles', whatever it may mean) and <i>therefore</i> some
degree of continued pre-eminence of the US government in some
key IG arrangements, including of the CIRs, is fine/
acceptable...<br>
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2. anyone is fine with US laws/ courts/ executive/ statutory
authorities (FCC, FTC etc) determine much of how the
Internet's architecture develops, whether through US law/
jurisdiction’s application on the ICANN, or on most of the
monopoly global Internet mega-corporates.... <br>
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In fact, if the IGC can agree that such US exceptionalism is <i>wrong
and unacceptable</i>, and sincerely begins to make political
proposals to come out of it, we would have reconciled a lot of
political differences among the members of IGC, and also made
a great contribution to the area of global governance of the
Internet.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div>[The Panglossian world of US
Exceptionalism.... of course these
matters are discussed and debated, but
dare to do anything about it and then
those will be put in their place, or
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<div> The Overzealous Prosecution of
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<div>A very good question; I personally don't
subscribe to a view of US Exceptionalism </div>
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bit and can more readily make comparisons),</div>
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John,<br>
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Do you mean you do not think US is exceptional / it
is wrong to believe that the US is exceptional<br>
or<br>
Do you mean that there is no belief prevalent about
US exceptionalism<br>
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Can you elaborate on this remark<br>
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thanks,<br>
Guru<br>
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