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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 27 December 2012 10:34 PM,
Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] Are you
seriously suggesting that ITU could become a force for
global net neutrality? Well, at least you are being
consistent. </span></i></b></p>
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Yes, I am seriously suggesting that. See my recent article in the
'The Global Journal' on 'Safeguarding Net Neutrality'
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://theglobaljournal.net/article/view/976/">http://theglobaljournal.net/article/view/976/</a> .<br>
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IF there is something called global net neutrality then one of
course needs a global forum to deal with it. What other forum than
ITU can do it? OECD? <br>
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And if you think there is nothing called 'global net neutrality'
then you may need to talk to CoE, and to Wolfgang and Bertrand, who
were members of the Experts Group that listed 'global net
neutrality' as a key cross border (real international) issue.<br>
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parminder <br>
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person who seems to have never met an economic
regulation he didn’t like,</span></i></b></p>
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In response, can I characterise you as a person who never met an
economic regulation that he liked..... where was it that you advised
me not to go for such extreme characterisations... oh, well, in the
same email in fact... So, basically you are saying you can do
extreme characterisations, but other may not do any thing that you
may take fancy to labelling as extreme characterisation.<br>
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ITU as something not to be thrown away casually. </span></i></b></p>
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I think it shouldnt anything other than deal with the physical
layer, but yes, it should not be thrown away casually. I have
serious belief in global governance.<br>
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On the other hand, those who really want to throw away ITU, should
clearly make that case and advocate it as such - plainly and
hoestly. However, I find so many, including on this list, who were
so solidly against the Internet resolution appended to the new ITRs,
which merely reasserted the activities that ITU already does in IG
space and nothing more, are now getting very energetically ready to
participate in the ITU's WTPF, which will deal with nothing other
than Internet Governance. This is a real paradox for me.<br>
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could get ahold of it, surely it could become a
progressive force, right? <gales of laughter></span></i></b></p>
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Yes, may be. Governance cannot be killed just because the system is
not being worked/ manned well in current circumstances. Because if
we were to do so, almost all governments will b folded up and we can
give our societies to the big corporates to run. <br>
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should care about whether the ITU survives? That would
be an interesting conversation for “we CS people” to
have.
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Yes, we should have that conversation here. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] Here I
have no idea what you are talking about – when did
“we” (a term that generally excludes me in your
lexicon but nevertheless strives to embrace the entire
IGC) take sides on the FCC? And how was this struggle
lost? The FCC passed its Open Internet rules and has
actually applied them in a couple of cases.
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The struggle is lost because the mobile Internet has been exempted
from NN rules and it is here that most of Internet growth is taking
place. Somehow the current US administration has extraordinary
sensitivity to Google's interests. Google was made on basis of a
neutral Internet, but now that it is made and further growth lies on
the mobile, it doesnt want a neutral mobile Internet. It has
starting violating NN principle on mobiles, having launched its
"Google free zone' in Philippines. <br>
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parminder <br>
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