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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 27 December 2012 10:34 PM,
      Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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                New";color:#1F497D">However, in one sense internet
                interconnection is and always has been in the ITRs, and
                that is through Article 9 Special Arrangements, which
                says they are deregulated and to be left to commercial
                negotiations. </span></i></b></p>
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    So, you do agree that Internet is already there in existing ITRs...
    That is an important point for the Internet exceptionalists - a
    major CS constituency in the ITU/ WCIT debate. (Does not matter
    whether it call for deregulation or regulation. We are speaking of
    jurisdictional competence here.)<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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                  New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] Many
                  people did openly call for ITU to die. See Andrew
                  McLaughlin’s comments at the NAF event, for one, which
                  were well-received. I have openly stated for months
                  that the ITRs are not needed </span></i></b></p>
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    Do you think FCC is needed, and if so, for what..<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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                  New";color:#1F497D">Anyway, once again one has to
                  be aware of the rhetorical ploy here. To want the ITU
                  to die does not necessarily mean one wants all
                  regulatory regimes around the internet to die, nor
                  does it mean that one wants all national regulatory
                  regimes to die with it.  <br>
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    I think there is an important ideological as well as practical
    connection between the two..<br>
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    parminder <br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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                  New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] Are you
                  seriously suggesting that ITU could become a force for
                  global net neutrality?</span></i></b></p>
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                  New";color:#1F497D"> Well, at least you are being
                  consistent. As a pro-regulatory guy, a person who
                  seems to have never met an economic regulation he
                  didn’t like, you should indeed view the ITU as
                  something not to be thrown away casually. If only you
                  and your friends could get ahold of it, surely it
                  could become a progressive force, right? <gales of
                  laughter><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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                  should care about whether the ITU survives? That would
                  be an interesting conversation for “we CS people” to
                  have.
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            Why did we allow ourselves to so blatantly take sides in the
            intense ideological struggle taking place around the remit
            and powers of the FCC in the US, where the struggle for net
            neutrality is now all but lost. A game which is going to
            soon visit our own national regulatory systems very soon.
            Just watch out!<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                  New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] Here I
                  have no idea what you are talking about – when did
                  “we” (a term that generally excludes me in your
                  lexicon but nevertheless strives to embrace the entire
                  IGC) take sides on the FCC? And how was this struggle
                  lost? The FCC passed its Open Internet rules and has
                  actually applied them in a couple of cases.
                  <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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