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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 27 December 2012 10:34 PM,
Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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some ideological antidotes…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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New";color:#1F497D">However, in one sense internet
interconnection is and always has been in the ITRs, and
that is through Article 9 Special Arrangements, which
says they are deregulated and to be left to commercial
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So, you do agree that Internet is already there in existing ITRs...
That is an important point for the Internet exceptionalists - a
major CS constituency in the ITU/ WCIT debate. (Does not matter
whether it call for deregulation or regulation. We are speaking of
jurisdictional competence here.)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] Many
people did openly call for ITU to die. See Andrew
McLaughlin’s comments at the NAF event, for one, which
were well-received. I have openly stated for months
that the ITRs are not needed </span></i></b></p>
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Do you think FCC is needed, and if so, for what..<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D">Anyway, once again one has to
be aware of the rhetorical ploy here. To want the ITU
to die does not necessarily mean one wants all
regulatory regimes around the internet to die, nor
does it mean that one wants all national regulatory
regimes to die with it. <br>
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I think there is an important ideological as well as practical
connection between the two..<br>
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parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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seriously suggesting that ITU could become a force for
global net neutrality?</span></i></b></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D"> Well, at least you are being
consistent. As a pro-regulatory guy, a person who
seems to have never met an economic regulation he
didn’t like, you should indeed view the ITU as
something not to be thrown away casually. If only you
and your friends could get ahold of it, surely it
could become a progressive force, right? <gales of
laughter><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D">Anyway, tell me again why we
should care about whether the ITU survives? That would
be an interesting conversation for “we CS people” to
have.
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Why did we allow ourselves to so blatantly take sides in the
intense ideological struggle taking place around the remit
and powers of the FCC in the US, where the struggle for net
neutrality is now all but lost. A game which is going to
soon visit our own national regulatory systems very soon.
Just watch out!<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D">[Milton L Mueller] Here I
have no idea what you are talking about – when did
“we” (a term that generally excludes me in your
lexicon but nevertheless strives to embrace the entire
IGC) take sides on the FCC? And how was this struggle
lost? The FCC passed its Open Internet rules and has
actually applied them in a couple of cases.
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