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Hi Bill<br>
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On Thursday 17 January 2013 03:10 PM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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Hi Parminder<br>
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<div>On Jan 17, 2013, at 4:21 AM, parminder <<a
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would think Adam's solution is a sensible way to get this
done promptly and focus the noncom's effort on what really
needs doing.<br>
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float: none; ">I do however find it rather odd that an
existing IGC nominated MAG member should insist that either
the matter of recertifying not be taken up at all, or that
noncom simple issues a blanket endorsement without at all
going into the merit of the case, that too without appending
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<div>And I find it rather odd that you would make this claim when
a) in the very next sentence of my message I refer to
discussions we are having in the MAG; </div>
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I did not understand. What do any discussions in the MAG have to do
with my request that all existing members also be considered for
renomination? (By the way, what discussions are you having in the
MAG?)<br>
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<div>b) in another message sent to you and the list seven minutes
later I ask you what you thought was controversial about our
informal MAG meeting in Baku </div>
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I will related my views on this in rather details very soon.. watch
this space :) <br>
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<div>and note that we on the MAG have sort of deferred to Izumi's
reporting but could do something else if people wanted;</div>
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That is very fine.. I have no problem with it. Generally I do seek
better and closer interactions. Many have said the same thing about
out MAG reps over the years on the IGC list...<br>
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<div> and c) the composition of the MAG CS contingent has been
discussed in the thread and is hardly a secret.</div>
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Yes, everyone knows it. That still makes it odd for an extant member
to repeated assert that extant members should not recertified. <br>
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<div> I also find it ironic given the high standards of
disclosure demonstrated when you were telling the IGC to support
the Indian government's CIRP proposal without mentioning your
role in it, and so on. :-) </div>
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<div>Games aside, I remain curious about your insistence the
nomcom spend time on an extra procedure that the Secretariat has
made clear is unnecessary,</div>
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Secretariat seems to think so... but not the real decision maker -
the UNDESA. right! <br>
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<div> particularly when the discussion here was about the tight
time frame and urgent need to complete the process.</div>
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It should take a few minutes only. I expect everyone to be
renominated, maybe with a short discussion about some being more
interactive than others, but maybe the nomcom will also observe that
they expect/ request continued or greater interaction with IGC...
That is all. <br>
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<div> What purpose would it serve? </div>
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The biggest purposes of all - accountability.... Why are so giving
it such a short shrift. <br>
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<div> I don't really care much either way and would of course roll
with whatever IGC members have consensus on, but it seems like
silly bureaucracy to me.</div>
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For a nominating group to reassess an earlier nominated candidate is
'silly bureaucracy' for you ! That surprises me. I really dont where
are you coming from. <br>
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Would it look rather less silly if at some time an IGC nomcom
conspicuously refused to renominate an extant MAG member, while
renominating all others, because it were a widely held belief that,
since the earleir nomination, the concerned member had clearly
conducted him/her-self in a manner that maked him/her not worthy of
an IGC nomination. Is such a situation in your view entirely
inconceivable?<br>
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There are countries that have right-to-recall provisions. India has
them now in some local bodies. And you are against a re-assessment
even when there is clearly a fresh appointment involved. <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div> [Disclaimer: I am on the MAG, nominated by IGC and APC]</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<div>Bill</div>
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