<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv=Content-Type></HEAD>
<BODY dir=ltr bgColor=#ffffff text=#000000>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV>People, as you know this matter is now actively under consideration by the
appeals team. As part of that process, we will be calling for public comments in
due course. In order to make comments more meaningful to the appeals process, it
might be better to wait for that call and respond in that context. We should be
in a position to make that call fairly soon.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=parminder@itforchange.net
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal
team to reverse the recent ban on a Member</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none"><BR>I
had hoped to stay out of this unfortunate morass. My response to personally
nasty people normally is to avoid interacting with them, and this mostly works.
But, it is apparent that there are considerable political overtones to this
'morass' and I normally do make the due political response to such political
things.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On Saturday 12 January 2013 05:37 AM, McTim
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACAaNxjcKVFdCN7zB8Lh3Xg_RBw7H4raZ-oz5CN8WaA-4x=3Zw@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><BR><PRE wrap=""><snip>
Riaz and Parminder and others throw around tags like "neo-liberal" and
"neo-con" and "American Exceptionalism" </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>Although everything I
say here applies to Riaz as well, I will speak for myself especially because I
am going to make specific claims and challenge McTim to disprove them.
<BR><BR>The terms you mention. McTim, are very regularly used in contemporary
political literature. If we are to disallow these terms from political
discussions and discourse then we will have to ban some of the best current
political literature, especially coming from the South. <BR><BR>I use these
terms only to refer to set of political views, and that is how these are
supposed to be used. I dont use them to label a particular person. In addition,
every time I use these terms I go into considerable detail explaining their use.
<BR><BR>On a very very few occasions, I have indeed responded to the use of
specific political labels, with a counter-label.... Without exception, and I
repeat, <I>without exception</I>, every such usage responds to a specific,
personalised reference/ label made by someone. (I understand that there could be
considerable sanctimonious advice by some that one can just ignore such labels,
but when in the middle of a political contestation there often is a clear
requirement - to be effective at what one is doing - not to ignore such a
labelling. I welcome a separate discussion on this issue.) <BR><BR>Having made
these claims, McTim, since you have specifically used my name to make an
accusation,<I><B> I challenge you prove my above claims wrong. And if you
cannot, then do the gentlemanly thing and withdraw your comments and apologize.
</B></I><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACAaNxjcKVFdCN7zB8Lh3Xg_RBw7H4raZ-oz5CN8WaA-4x=3Zw@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">where they do not apply.</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Now, we can hardly
go by McTim's judgement as to where terms like neolib and American
exceptionalism apply or dont apply. But, well, you do seem to agree that
there terms do apply to some kind of views. That is encouraging. Well, let me
repeat the act for what you accuse me - I have not the least doubt that these
terms - neolib, US exceptionalism - strongly apply to some of the views
routinely presented on this list. And now that I have done it again, why
dont you seek that I be called for such an insolent behaviour. <BR><BR>It
would be apparent to everyone that the IGC elist is a site of deep
political contestations - which is not necessarily a bad thing . The terms you
refer to are central to some of the key political contestations of current
times. IF we ban them, then as Carlos says, maybe we can discuss football and
pop music on this list. <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACAaNxjcKVFdCN7zB8Lh3Xg_RBw7H4raZ-oz5CN8WaA-4x=3Zw@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap=""> They
are insulting to those who they are aimed at, mostly becuase they are
wildly inaccurate.</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>McTim, as above, you dont seem to be the
best judge of the accuracy of these terms at all, but I will take a chance -
tell me what is the accurate meaning / usage of these terms. It may help my
political learning. <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACAaNxjcKVFdCN7zB8Lh3Xg_RBw7H4raZ-oz5CN8WaA-4x=3Zw@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">They don't get called on it, but when SRS says "gleefully posting",
those words get him banned?</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>Characterising political
positions, in the middle of a political discussion, with due elaborations, is
not to be compared with what has been routine, extra-ordinarily routine,
spilling of personal and personalised contempt on this list. No, it was not just
the one phrase 'gleefully posting' - which did in fact have no purpose in the
concerned email other than to express deep personal contempt<I> </I>- that got
your friend called for. And this was certainly not the most contemptuous
expression he has made, far from it. In fact it falls quite below his normal
standard. The concerned email just capped a series of events that made the
coordinator do what she did. <BR><BR>parminder <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACAaNxjcKVFdCN7zB8Lh3Xg_RBw7H4raZ-oz5CN8WaA-4x=3Zw@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">That's the pattern.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<P>
<HR>
____________________________________________________________<BR>You received
this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>
governance@lists.igcaucus.org<BR>To be removed from the list,
visit:<BR>
http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing<BR><BR>For all other list information and
functions, see:<BR>
http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance<BR>To edit your profile and to find
the IGC's charter, see:<BR>
http://www.igcaucus.org/<BR><BR>Translate this email:
http://translate.google.com/translate_t<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>