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On 01/08/2013 01:43 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Pariser's
"filter bubble" thesis has very little scientific grounding.
It is one of those things that has acquired credibility
primarily through repetition, and the fact that some people
always badly want to believe that "the media" are
manipulating us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I think the point of how Internet could have been to be a space to
build bridging capital and how the 'personalisation' process will
erode is something we need to ponder over. Can you elaborate on why
you think "<span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">thesis
</span>has very little scientific grounding."</span> i assume you
are talking of social sciences here...<br>
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also do you really believe that there is no element of manipulation
in the media? that this is just what "<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">people
always badly want to believe"</span><br>
(perhaps weapons of mass destruction were indeed found in Iraq ...)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
recall seeing him on a television program when his claim was
put to the test and they conducted searches using two
different accounts and got virtually the same results. He
was embarrassed.</span></p>
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otoh I am embarassed that you think a sole case like this can
disprove the point! <br>
The article quotes Google as saying the search algorithm uses 57
signals about the user to provide personalised results, so you think
all this is in vain?<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On
the other hand, I was quite grateful this morning when using
a generic professional term to search for an office and
discovering that the search had been limited to Syracuse
area. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Guru,
if you get badly personalized results from Google without
asking for it, what is to stop you from not using Google?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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That the only action I can take to address this is by walking away
is a naive response ... the issue is not of one individual user not
using google. the issue is given the market dominance of google
search engine, the terms of engagement are so biased in favor of one
party that it is a joke to assume contractual law (clicking the i
agree button or not clicking it) will solve the problem. <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Guru ????<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 07, 2013 12:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's
Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day -
NYTimes.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh
Ramasubramanian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So do you get all your news from just
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://news.google.com">
news.google.com</a> and other google search results,
instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every
article he sees about google being investigated for,
say, giggling in church?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And did Riaz find this news item
anywhere other than google search?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And does this reality distortion
field google is supposed to have actually hide any
search results from you that are negative to it? Like
search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action,
statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for,
it or having any role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense
'reality distortion' ....by offering different people
different views on the same keyword search.<br>
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See <span style="font-size:10.0pt">attached aticle (the web
link is not available anymore)<br>
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Guru </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And the last link on page 1 of the
search results showing just where google got spanked by
the FTC. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc">http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc#</a> is
worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the
commentary about how google got a get out of jail card
because of intensive lobbying.<br>
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Can we please<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Have a reality check here<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Go back to discussing Internet
governance <o:p></o:p></p>
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--srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" <<a
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href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>
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Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing…
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To
put that in English…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I'm
wondering whether it wouldn't be better to
"investigate" Google for possible "freedom of
thought" violations rather than issues concerning
"freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for
much more serious impacts on our capacity to know
(or not know) certain things, than on what we can
say or not say…</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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