<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Well well, I agree with Milton here</div><div><br></div><div>This fits the pattern of a typical move on campaign.</div><div><br></div><div>Run a mailing list without bothering about best practices and land in spam filters? Simple, start a high decibel campaign claiming censorship, eavesdropping and what not. </div><div><br></div><div>Disagree with the bush administration? Sure, we all do, but I doubt we would have the poor taste to launch full page ads like 'Petraeus Betray Us'</div><div><br></div><div>etc. that google search 'study' or anything else they produce, has to be seen as what it is, propaganda, and taken with a truckload or two of salt. Maybe rather more salt than I would add to any paper by another civil society org whose members I keep clashing with.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 08-Jan-2013, at 1:43, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Pariser's "filter bubble" thesis has very little scientific grounding. It is one of those things that has acquired credibility primarily through repetition,
and the fact that some people always badly want to believe that "the media" are manipulating us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I recall seeing him on a television program when his claim was put to the test and they conducted searches using two different accounts and got virtually the
same results. He was embarrassed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Guru, if you get badly personalized results from Google without asking for it, what is to stop you from not using Google?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Guru ????<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 07, 2013 12:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - <a href="http://NYTimes.com">NYTimes.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So do you get all your news from just <a href="http://news.google.com">
news.google.com</a> and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision
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Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or having any role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality distortion' ....by offering different people different views on the same keyword search.<br>
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See <span style="font-size:10.0pt">attached aticle (the web link is not available anymore)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. <a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc">http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc#</a> is
worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying.<br>
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Can we please<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Have a reality check here<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Go back to discussing Internet governance <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To put that in English…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of
speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say…</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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