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    <font face="Verdana">Interestingly, from an OECD document, '<a
href="https://bvc.cgu.gov.br/.../1/the_role_of_internet_intermediaries.pdf">The
        role Internet intermediaries in advancing public policy
        objectives</a>'<br>
      <br>
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    <blockquote><font face="Verdana">"Articulating common international
        principles for Internet intermediary policy would be timely.
        Participants were cautiously optimistic that in some areas there
        has been enough experience and work around the topic of Internet
        intermediaries by policymakers, the private sector and civil
        society, to identify and discuss high-level policy principles
        for the future. Given the global nature of the Internet and the
        cross- border services that Internet intermediaries often
        provide, an international convergence of approaches for the
        development of policies involving Internet intermediaries was
        viewed as essential, to provide effective guidance to the
        business sector. <i><b>The OECD was identified as being able to
            help the emergence of such</b></i><i><b> </b></i><i><b>principles
            and to support their diffusion</b></i>.</font>"<br>
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    Even more interestingly, this is what the US Ambassador to the OECD
    has to say (emphasis added, below as well as above)<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote>"Mrs. Kornbluh further noted that the <i><b>OECD is
          ideally suited to discuss the role of Internet intermediaries
          because of its historic mandates</b></i> and ongoing streams
      of work. Recalling that the OECD is the place where regulators
      come to share best practices and to develop agreements, guidelines
      and conventions."<br>
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    Hope, the day will come when civil society will take time off from
    their preoccupation with demonizing developing countires, and call
    the bluff of the US and its allies with regard to such deep
    hypocrisies - who gave them this 'historic role' ???? And why should
    not a UN based CIRP like body ( which is more multistakeholder than
    OECD) not 'discuss the role of Internet intermediaries' rather than
    these self- appointed historic role bearers?<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:25 PM,
      parminder wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM,
        michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I've

              blogged about this at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m

                wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is
                rather misplaced when included under matters concerning
                free speech/free expression.  Whether a search algorithm
                propelling a robotic process of information selection
                would be covered by free speech “rights” is something
                for legal scholars to ponder at their leisure.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m

                wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms
                venue under which to assess Google’s activities might
                not more appropriately fall under “freedom of thought”
                rather than “freedom of speech” i.e. that it concerns
                the way we know things or our capacity to know certain
                things (and not have the means to know (or believe)
                other things).</span></i></p>
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      <br>
      I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the
      search segment of the Internet represents an epistemological
      window on the world, and thus very clearly represents a core
      public interest function.... And this has serious implications if
      google is left free to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to.
      The FTC judgement is a big disappointment. But then maybe this is
      more of a media regulation thing rather than a trade regulation
      one, and FTC will obviously look only at trade issue (on which
      aspect too I find its judgement inadequate).<br>
      <br>
      Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance
      paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the
      Internet just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion
      of others can be grossly harmful to public interest. <br>
      <br>
      We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and
      we need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. <br>
      <br>
      parminder <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote cite="mid:104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
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href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/">http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's
                  Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day -
                  NYTimes.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
            A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google<br>
            <br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0</a>
            <br>
            <br>
            The article raises the right question - whether some parts
            of our digital environment deserve to be treated as public
            utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the
            very important 'public function(s)' being performed. <br>
            <br>
            I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any
            kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free
            expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true.<br>
            <br>
            How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article
            touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right
            paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most
            commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation
            with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often
            misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and,
            unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of
            civil society.<br>
            <br>
            parminder <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM,
              michael gurstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                Dave Farber [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:dave@farber.net">mailto:dave@farber.net</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> ip<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the
                Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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