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<font face="Verdana">Interestingly, from an OECD document, '<a
href="https://bvc.cgu.gov.br/.../1/the_role_of_internet_intermediaries.pdf">The
role Internet intermediaries in advancing public policy
objectives</a>'<br>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana">"Articulating common international
principles for Internet intermediary policy would be timely.
Participants were cautiously optimistic that in some areas there
has been enough experience and work around the topic of Internet
intermediaries by policymakers, the private sector and civil
society, to identify and discuss high-level policy principles
for the future. Given the global nature of the Internet and the
cross- border services that Internet intermediaries often
provide, an international convergence of approaches for the
development of policies involving Internet intermediaries was
viewed as essential, to provide effective guidance to the
business sector. <i><b>The OECD was identified as being able to
help the emergence of such</b></i><i><b> </b></i><i><b>principles
and to support their diffusion</b></i>.</font>"<br>
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Even more interestingly, this is what the US Ambassador to the OECD
has to say (emphasis added, below as well as above)<br>
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<blockquote>"Mrs. Kornbluh further noted that the <i><b>OECD is
ideally suited to discuss the role of Internet intermediaries
because of its historic mandates</b></i> and ongoing streams
of work. Recalling that the OECD is the place where regulators
come to share best practices and to develop agreements, guidelines
and conventions."<br>
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Hope, the day will come when civil society will take time off from
their preoccupation with demonizing developing countires, and call
the bluff of the US and its allies with regard to such deep
hypocrisies - who gave them this 'historic role' ???? And why should
not a UN based CIRP like body ( which is more multistakeholder than
OECD) not 'discuss the role of Internet intermediaries' rather than
these self- appointed historic role bearers?<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:25 PM,
parminder wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I've
blogged about this at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is
rather misplaced when included under matters concerning
free speech/free expression. Whether a search algorithm
propelling a robotic process of information selection
would be covered by free speech “rights” is something
for legal scholars to ponder at their leisure.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms
venue under which to assess Google’s activities might
not more appropriately fall under “freedom of thought”
rather than “freedom of speech” i.e. that it concerns
the way we know things or our capacity to know certain
things (and not have the means to know (or believe)
other things).</span></i></p>
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I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the
search segment of the Internet represents an epistemological
window on the world, and thus very clearly represents a core
public interest function.... And this has serious implications if
google is left free to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to.
The FTC judgement is a big disappointment. But then maybe this is
more of a media regulation thing rather than a trade regulation
one, and FTC will obviously look only at trade issue (on which
aspect too I find its judgement inadequate).<br>
<br>
Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance
paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the
Internet just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion
of others can be grossly harmful to public interest. <br>
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We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and
we need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's
Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day -
NYTimes.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0</a>
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<br>
The article raises the right question - whether some parts
of our digital environment deserve to be treated as public
utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the
very important 'public function(s)' being performed. <br>
<br>
I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any
kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free
expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true.<br>
<br>
How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article
touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right
paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most
commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation
with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often
misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and,
unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of
civil society.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM,
michael gurstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dave Farber [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@farber.net">mailto:dave@farber.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ip<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the
Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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