<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM,
michael gurstein wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered
medium)">
<!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style><![endif]-->
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Helvetica;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Helvetica;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:black;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoAcetate, li.MsoAcetate, div.MsoAcetate
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
span.BalloonTextChar
{mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Balloon Text";
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle20
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I've
blogged about this at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is
rather misplaced when included under matters concerning
free speech/free expression. Whether a search algorithm
propelling a robotic process of information selection
would be covered by free speech “rights” is something for
legal scholars to ponder at their leisure.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms
venue under which to assess Google’s activities might not
more appropriately fall under “freedom of thought” rather
than “freedom of speech” i.e. that it concerns the way we
know things or our capacity to know certain things (and
not have the means to know (or believe) other things).</span></i></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the
search segment of the Internet represents an epistemological window
on the world, and thus very clearly represents a core public
interest function.... And this has serious implications if google is
left free to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to. The FTC
judgement is a big disappointment. But then maybe this is more of a
media regulation thing rather than a trade regulation one, and FTC
will obviously look only at trade issue (on which aspect too I find
its judgement inadequate).<br>
<br>
Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance
paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the
Internet just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion
of others can be grossly harmful to public interest. <br>
<br>
We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and we
need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/">http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab">http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's
Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day -
NYTimes.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0</a>
<br>
<br>
The article raises the right question - whether some parts of
our digital environment deserve to be treated as public
utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very
important 'public function(s)' being performed. <br>
<br>
I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any
kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free
expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true.<br>
<br>
How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article
touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right
paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most
commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation
with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often
misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and,
unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil
society.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM,
michael gurstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Dave Farber [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@farber.net">mailto:dave@farber.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ip<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the
Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">note last paragraph<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:4.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<table class="MsoNormalTable"
style="width:100.0%;background:white" border="0"
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now"
title="Go to archives for ip"><span
style="color:#669933;text-decoration:none">Archives</span></a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/22720195-33c4478e"
title="RSS feed for ip"><span
style="color:#669933;text-decoration:none"><img
moz-do-not-send="true" id="_x0000_i1025"
src="https://www.listbox.com/images/feed-icon-10x10.jpg"
border="0"></span></a>| <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=22720195&id_secret=22720195-ee88e0f4"
title=""><span
style="color:#669933;text-decoration:none">Modify</span></a>
Your Subscription | <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?member_id=22720195&id_secret=22720195-5d1aea5d&post_id=20130104083439:7B061B92-5673-11E2-9EEA-C6C0052171EF"
title=""><span
style="color:#669933;text-decoration:none">Unsubscribe
Now</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.listbox.com"><span
style="text-decoration:none"><img
moz-do-not-send="true" id="_x0000_i1026"
src="https://www.listbox.com/images/listbox-logo-small.png"
border="0"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>