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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM,
      michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            blogged about this at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
              wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is
              rather misplaced when included under matters concerning
              free speech/free expression.  Whether a search algorithm
              propelling a robotic process of information selection
              would be covered by free speech “rights” is something for
              legal scholars to ponder at their leisure.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
              wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms
              venue under which to assess Google’s activities might not
              more appropriately fall under “freedom of thought” rather
              than “freedom of speech” i.e. that it concerns the way we
              know things or our capacity to know certain things (and
              not have the means to know (or believe) other things).</span></i></p>
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    I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the
    search segment of the Internet represents an epistemological window
    on the world, and thus very clearly represents a core public
    interest function.... And this has serious implications if google is
    left free to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to. The FTC
    judgement is a big disappointment. But then maybe this is more of a
    media regulation thing rather than a trade regulation one, and FTC
    will obviously look only at trade issue (on which aspect too I find
    its judgement inadequate).<br>
    <br>
    Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance
    paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the
    Internet just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion
    of others can be grossly harmful to public interest. <br>
    <br>
    We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and we
    need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. <br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's
                Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day -
                NYTimes.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google<br>
          <br>
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href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0</a>
          <br>
          <br>
          The article raises the right question - whether some parts of
          our digital environment deserve to be treated as public
          utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very
          important 'public function(s)' being performed. <br>
          <br>
          I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any
          kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free
          expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true.<br>
          <br>
          How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article
          touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right
          paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most
          commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation
          with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often
          misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and,
          unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil
          society.<br>
          <br>
          parminder <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM,
            michael gurstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
              Dave Farber [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:dave@farber.net">mailto:dave@farber.net</a>]
              <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> ip<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the
              Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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