<br>On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Koven Ronald <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kovenronald@aol.com" target="_blank">kovenronald@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<font color="black" face="arial"><font>What the devil is a "figurative walkout" ? There was misrepresentation or factual error. Period.</font></font></blockquote><div><br>Ok, that's it, I'm outta here. See ya! <br>
[...]<br>OK, now I'm back. :) But possibly Avri walked out on us today - she noted she was at her self-imposed 3 message limit. Perhaps she will walk back into this discussion tomorrow.<br><br>There's two figurative walkouts, above, plus a figurative walk back in. Or, had I ceased communicating after an abrupt announcement of any kind (even if not suggesting the image of leaving or walking out), that could be called a walkout. <br>
<br>Do you want more examples? Links to idiomatic dictionaries or examples of English usage? <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/walk+out" target="_blank">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/walk+out</a> <br><br>If I hit a truck head on, pass out from fright, and a firefighter pulls me away from the car uninjured, I could say I walked away without a scratch even though I had a minor concussion. "Walk" is not literal, it refers to a distancing process. <br>
<br> Paul<br><br>The problem with English speakers is the assumption, basically false, that we all speak the same language. A four letter word like "walk" - like most other short words - has many different definitions. The basic idea of a "walk" applied to something like communications is USUALLY the notion of a distancing process from something. Among two parties who continue to actively negotiate, one might say of the other that they "walked away" from the major points of negotiation (in favor of other points). Nothing physical about it.<br>
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But what is truly at issue is not a "fact" like whether someone physically locomoted using their legs in order to leave a meeting. "Walked out" has both literal and figurative meaning, and Parminder - as was obvious to me at least - intended the phrase in a figurative way. This should be especially obvious because it was a country (having no legs) that walked out, not a specific person. <br>
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Since it appears some have appointed themselves inquisitors and made a charge of inaccuracy against Parminder, I assert my neutrality (not even sure why people are so hot on this), and <b>appoint myself judge and dismiss this claim, </b>on the grounds that "walked out" has clearly figurative meaning and the actual facts, even as alleged by the inquisitors, fit without the broad meaning of "walked out". :) <br>
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The key word in Michael's question was "pre-occupation." Why the
<u>pre-occupation</u> with this? It appears that question is unlikely to be
answered. And I won't rule on it either, since I don't have enough facts before me to do so. :) <br>
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PS If anyone has a problem with me being the self-appointed judge here, then they should have a very similar problem with those who have accused and also called this an open and shut case of "you can't have your own facts" - which is just judgment in a different form, and a self-appointed judgment at that. In order to reach my "judgment" I've looked at the facts in the light most favorable to the accused, given the rights of free expression at stake. <br>
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All we really have here is what could be a valuable discussion about the extent to which there was or wasn't a <i>figurative</i> walk out, and that could be enlightening given the personal observations of some on the list but which devolved into something more <i>ad hominem</i> in the nature of a game of gotcha.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 21 Dec 2012, at 10:13, michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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> Or Parminder used/quoted colourful journalistic language in a journalistic medium...<br>
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> Anyway, why this pre-occupation with one perhaps infelicitous turn of (journalistic/diplomatic?) phrase ... Is this the US Congress/Fox News where a fairly comprehensible mispeak can lead to a total "gothcha" pre-occupation (the Benghazi "discussions") for purely political purposes to the exclusion of substantive debate...<br>
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Because you are not permitted to have your own facts.<br>
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