<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>you can sue various newspapers for lying then</div><div><br></div><div>here's one to start with, with statements from the DoT that are remarkably divergent from their earlier position.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.livemint.com/Industry/3gtX8BWmMEaIfNyCfFI7xL/UN-group-gives-nod-for-greater-Internet-oversight.html">http://www.livemint.com/Industry/3gtX8BWmMEaIfNyCfFI7xL/UN-group-gives-nod-for-greater-Internet-oversight.html</a><br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 14-Dec-2012, at 12:30, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
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<div>This outcome from WCIT has actually given me a lot more hope.
Hope that various countries will realize that pushing these
through the ITU is a non starter.<br>
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I am glad to see that India voted against the ITRs too. <br>
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A falsehood...<br>
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<div>For all the initial rubbish about CIRP, and for all DoT's
initial submission that suggested the contrary.</div>
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<blockquote cite="mid:CAFabd1K3sghLj+KuNwuYSMLgzHXGntw6x0zTThVfwqtmk8d0jQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">So why did he encourage plenary to spend so many
hours on Human Rights? It seemed to obsess him, he was
personally stung by comments and concerns (very legitimate)
that some proposal had potential to harm fundamental rights.
How many full sessions discussed a single line of text in
the preamble, 2, 3, more? All for his own PR, he said as
much, it was about the press and perception. So I wonder, if
he has used the same passion and time to persuade and cajole
delegates to think of ways in which the ITRs could contain
high-level and lasting principles that encouraged the spread
of/access to broadband across the globe, perhaps we would
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Adam, <br>
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Can you suggest how ITRs could have encouraged spread of
broadband without mentioning Internet or broadband (which is
Internet) in the ITRs? You know that one side was completely
intent that, what come may, Internet/ broadband cannot find
mention in the ITRs....<br>
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The problem with the WCIT process was that it was a battle
between two sides both with an entirely negative agenda. One
side wanted to prevent US et all from making a historical
point that Internet is an unregulated space - whereby their
new global domination strategy could be unrestrained. The
other side was trying to prevent China/ Russia et all from
changing the basic nature of the global Internet into a
tightly state controlled space. <br>
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The middle, which is supposed to be the sane lot, and that
should have included many countries, as well as, prominently,
the civil society, which is supposed to contribute a positive
agenda, failed. That I think is the primary failure here. The
'sane public interest-oriented middle' did not get formed. And
the civil society was supposed to have a big role in it. So,
perhaps, we failed, more than anyone else. (Do we want to look
into this failure?)<br>
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A global treaty, especially as concerning a matter of such
monumental importance as the Internet, is supposed to give the
people of the world some hope.... Take any treaty or global
summit process till now, whether concerning climate change,
trade, traditional knowledge, etc etc........... There is
always some hope built from a summit/ treaty process, and
civil society is on the side of this positive hope. Mostly
leading the positive hope brigade. <br>
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What was the hope or positive expectation offered by the WCIT?
Was there any? No, none. It was a battle between two perverse
agendas. And, I dare say, good that neither won, and the
process broke down. I highly appreciate the sentiment of
Marilia's email, but in this case, I am not too unhappy that
the treaty process kind of failed. I am not celebrating the
breakdown of dialogue. I am hopeful that this breakdown will
come as a positive shake-up to our collective and selective
slumbers that many of us seem to be caught in, in terms of
public interest regulation of the Internet. My hope is that
such shake-up will now start a real honest dialogue. Thus I
am still celebrating the process of dialogue - honest and open
dialogue about real issues (and not shadow boxing) and beyond
selective hype, focussed on global public interest and not
narrow partisan agendas as the WCIT process was.<br>
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The situation which had been reached in the WCIT process, I am
completely unable to figure out, if WCIT process had
succeeded, <i>what would it have succeeded at.</i> I am
unable to form any conception of what I could have considered
as WCIT success - that, one could say proudly, <i> it gave the
world this and this</i>.... I will be happy if anyone here
can share any such possible conception of a 'successful WCIT'
(keeping within the limits in which WCIT process has been
trapped for a long time now), and perhaps I can still be
persuade to feel bad about this 'failure'. But right now, I am
unable to do so.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:CAFabd1K3sghLj+KuNwuYSMLgzHXGntw6x0zTThVfwqtmk8d0jQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> Instead he seems to have allowed the Union
under his leadership to become divided. We'll see how badly
later on. Also found his comments last night poor: Last
night: "I have been saying in the run-up to this conference
that this conference is not about governing the internet. I
repeat, that the conference did not include provisions on
the internet in the treaty text." etc. Opening plenary: "In
preparing for this conference, we have seen and heard many
comments about ITU or the United Nations trying to take over
the Internet. Let me be very clear one more time: WCIT is
not about taking over the Internet. And WCIT is not about
Internet governance." Sorry, that's twisting words and
twisting generally. The resolutions are part of the ITRs,
they can be binding on the secretariat, they are "WICT. So I
wonder if Toure's blown his chance for a legacy. Best, Adam
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<pre wrap="">Toure's words of congratulation (and sound-bites for the media) we hollow.
Adam
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