<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>No thank you. Most of the discussion sounds only too familiar to me from similar lists before the Athens IGF. I don't see as broad a consensus for your assertion below though. For, as Adam Peake reminded us all, it is called "Internet" governance. <br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 14-Dec-2012, at 6:36, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>If we all got back to discussing outcomes from this vote that got forced at Dubai, and leave google versus various regulators each to their own devices?<br>
<br>--srs (iPad)</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Some would argue otherwise and say that this is linked to the motivations behind some of the MNCs position as they lobby and advocate at the WCIT. It is the responsibility of civil society to explore and tease out some of these motivations particularly when the interests often masquerade behind fighting for a free and open internet. Numerous posts on this thread and on the topic prior to your joining us in the IGC and I invite you to go through the archives, pour through some of the literature that abounds on the matter. For the record, this is part of Internet Governance. <br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 14-Dec-2012, at 1:15, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Does the G in IGC now stand for Google?<br>
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:-)<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>It is entertaining to watch feathers ruffled when criticisms against Google is launched. <br><br>Google is not bad - really, it is not a monster - it has done and continues to lots of great work - but the whole point of Internet Governance is to engage in discussions on issues that affect stakeholders. We are very appreciative of the wonderful things that Google has done in relation to helping Japan recover from the Tsunami through getting victims to post messages - helping out in Haiti during the earth quake. At the same time there are certain aspects of Google's operations that require discussion.<br>
<br>The same can be said when critiquing other stakeholders within the Internet Governance and the point is not the critiquing but in the constructive dialogue of how things can be improved to impact on the average end user.<br>
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On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:07 AM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I will leave the editorialising to others...<br>
><br>
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> From: Lauren Weinstein <<a href="mailto:lauren@vortex.com" target="_blank">lauren@vortex.com</a>><br>
> Date: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM<br>
> Subject: [ NNSquad ] New York Post: FTC reportedly will find that Google did<br>
> not violate antitrust laws<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:nnsquad@nnsquad.org" target="_blank">nnsquad@nnsquad.org</a><br>
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> New York Post: FTC reportedly will find that Google did not violate<br>
> antitrust laws<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://j.mp/TdAByO" target="_blank">http://j.mp/TdAByO</a> (New York Post)<br>
><br>
> "Federal regulators are expected to close a year-long probe of Google's<br>
> search business without finding any antitrust violations, The Post has<br>
> learned. The Federal Trade Commission is expected to announce before<br>
> the end of the year that Google's search engine did not cause any<br>
> consumer harm or favor its own businesses, sources close to the<br>
> situation said."<br>
><br>
> - - -<br>
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> Hoping this report from The New York Post is correct. There obviously<br>
> has been no consumer harm, and the attacks on Google in this sphere<br>
> have been driven by Google's competitors who just can't match the<br>
> quality of Google's services on their own.<br>
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> --Lauren--<br>
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