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my information is specific to the voting that took place yesterday,
India was among 77 that voted for... <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 14 December 2012 01:08 PM,
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
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<div>you can sue various newspapers for lying then</div>
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<div>here's one to start with, with statements from the DoT that
are remarkably divergent from their earlier position.</div>
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--srs (iPad)</div>
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On 14-Dec-2012, at 12:30, parminder <<a
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<div>This outcome from WCIT has actually given me a lot more
hope. Hope that various countries will realize that
pushing these through the ITU is a non starter.<br>
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I am glad to see that India voted against the ITRs too. <br>
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A falsehood...<br>
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<div>For all the initial rubbish about CIRP, and for all
DoT's initial submission that suggested the contrary.</div>
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10:00 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CAFabd1K3sghLj+KuNwuYSMLgzHXGntw6x0zTThVfwqtmk8d0jQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">So why did he encourage plenary to spend
so many hours on Human Rights? It seemed to obsess
him, he was personally stung by comments and concerns
(very legitimate) that some proposal had potential to
harm fundamental rights. How many full sessions
discussed a single line of text in the preamble, 2, 3,
more? All for his own PR, he said as much, it was
about the press and perception. So I wonder, if he has
used the same passion and time to persuade and cajole
delegates to think of ways in which the ITRs could
contain high-level and lasting principles that
encouraged the spread of/access to broadband across
the globe, perhaps we would have had something useful
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Adam, <br>
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Can you suggest how ITRs could have encouraged spread of
broadband without mentioning Internet or broadband
(which is Internet) in the ITRs? You know that one side
was completely intent that, what come may, Internet/
broadband cannot find mention in the ITRs....<br>
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The problem with the WCIT process was that it was a
battle between two sides both with an entirely negative
agenda. One side wanted to prevent US et all from making
a historical point that Internet is an unregulated space
- whereby their new global domination strategy could be
unrestrained. The other side was trying to prevent
China/ Russia et all from changing the basic nature of
the global Internet into a tightly state controlled
space. <br>
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The middle, which is supposed to be the sane lot, and
that should have included many countries, as well as,
prominently, the civil society, which is supposed to
contribute a positive agenda, failed. That I think is
the primary failure here. The 'sane public
interest-oriented middle' did not get formed. And the
civil society was supposed to have a big role in it. So,
perhaps, we failed, more than anyone else. (Do we want
to look into this failure?)<br>
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A global treaty, especially as concerning a matter of
such monumental importance as the Internet, is supposed
to give the people of the world some hope.... Take any
treaty or global summit process till now, whether
concerning climate change, trade, traditional knowledge,
etc etc........... There is always some hope built from
a summit/ treaty process, and civil society is on the
side of this positive hope. Mostly leading the positive
hope brigade. <br>
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What was the hope or positive expectation offered by the
WCIT? Was there any? No, none. It was a battle between
two perverse agendas. And, I dare say, good that neither
won, and the process broke down. I highly appreciate the
sentiment of Marilia's email, but in this case, I am not
too unhappy that the treaty process kind of failed. I am
not celebrating the breakdown of dialogue. I am hopeful
that this breakdown will come as a positive shake-up to
our collective and selective slumbers that many of us
seem to be caught in, in terms of public interest
regulation of the Internet. My hope is that such
shake-up will now start a real honest dialogue. Thus I
am still celebrating the process of dialogue - honest
and open dialogue about real issues (and not shadow
boxing) and beyond selective hype, focussed on global
public interest and not narrow partisan agendas as the
WCIT process was.<br>
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The situation which had been reached in the WCIT
process, I am completely unable to figure out, if WCIT
process had succeeded, <i>what would it have succeeded
at.</i> I am unable to form any conception of what I
could have considered as WCIT success - that, one could
say proudly, <i> it gave the world this and this</i>....
I will be happy if anyone here can share any such
possible conception of a 'successful WCIT' (keeping
within the limits in which WCIT process has been trapped
for a long time now), and perhaps I can still be
persuade to feel bad about this 'failure'. But right
now, I am unable to do so.<br>
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parminder <br>
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cite="mid:CAFabd1K3sghLj+KuNwuYSMLgzHXGntw6x0zTThVfwqtmk8d0jQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"> Instead he seems to have allowed the
Union under his leadership to become divided. We'll
see how badly later on. Also found his comments last
night poor: Last night: "I have been saying in the
run-up to this conference that this conference is not
about governing the internet. I repeat, that the
conference did not include provisions on the internet
in the treaty text." etc. Opening plenary: "In
preparing for this conference, we have seen and heard
many comments about ITU or the United Nations trying
to take over the Internet. Let me be very clear one
more time: WCIT is not about taking over the Internet.
And WCIT is not about Internet governance." Sorry,
that's twisting words and twisting generally. The
resolutions are part of the ITRs, they can be binding
on the secretariat, they are "WICT. So I wonder if
Toure's blown his chance for a legacy. Best, Adam
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Keith
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<pre wrap="">Toure's words of congratulation (and sound-bites for the media) we hollow.
Adam
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