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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 13 December 2012 10:52 AM,
Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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<div>Yes, I agree with the sentiments expressed by Parminder
and Louis. Google is behaving badly in many ways, and its
tax avoidance is a prime example. This being raised now is
not some sort of anti-Internet conspiracy, its an expression
of frustration that they are able to get away with this.</div>
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Ian,<br>
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It cannot be simply dismissed as a bad behaviour. It is a global IG
issue. FOr instance, EU has an agreement among member countries
about e-commerce related taxes, and I think they may revisit it, or
seek new agreements, in the background of recent issues that France,
UK and others have raised about google's taxes. <br>
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At WCIT, most developing countries were concerned about how they are
not able to get some legitimate dues out of the multi billion global
digital businesses, which are furthering already unbalanced North
wards flows of economic value. They sought the wrong way to go about
it, seeking telecom rentals from such big businesses, which by
compromising net neutrality would have hurt developing countries
most. However, the basic concern of not getting legitimate public
dues is not misplaced. (You will see that the ITR text still has a
part on fiscal taxes.)<br>
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If we just dismiss this as a minor issue of wrong doing and not a
global Internet governance issue, we are reinforcing the feeling
that most developing country governments, and the politically
involved civil society from these countries, in any case has about
what generally goes for the global IG civil society. Accordingly, we
can do so at the (further) cost of our credibility. <br>
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<div>But I don’t really think much will be achieved by a
letter.</div>
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I am not sure what gets practically achieved by many other letters
that IGC writes, other than giving a message about what we consider
as important, and are ready to but our might behind. <br>
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No I am not canvassing for support for a possible letter to google
etc. People would support or not as per their established beliefs
and convictions. But I must keep on arguing for what I think is the
right and balanced progressive view that global IG civil society
must take, and be seen as taking.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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href="mailto:pouzin@well.com">Louis Pouzin (well)</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:07 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="suresh@hserus.net"
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">Suresh
Ramasubramanian</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com"
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">Salanieta
T. Tamanikaiwaimaro</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="parminder@itforchange.net"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [governance] Re: Telecom TV on
Google and Taxes</div>
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Louis<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 5:51 AM,
Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>A strong -1</div>
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--srs (iPad)</div>
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On 13-Dec-2012, at 10:10, "Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 13, 2012
at 5:33 PM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<font face="Verdana">Rather shameful
that google paid 3 percent tax on its
overseas profit!! It surely leaves it
with a lot of money to spend in
lobbying and advocacy efforts to keep
global markets free for its unlettered
operations... Like organising
campaigns against ITU, German
legislature, and so on. </font></div>
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<div>What does the list think? </div>
<div>+1 if you think the IGC should write a
letter to Google</div>
<div>-1 if the IGC should not write a letter
to Google</div>
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<div>As always the IGC decides </div>
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