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    It would be interesting to know if the European laws on
    counterfeiting would apply here... under that silly (patent holder
    biased) law a mere complaint can result in seizing of shipments
    (even World Health Organisation approved medicines were seized,
    resulting in morbidity)... and leaves it to the shipper to prove the
    merits of the case (there is often not a right of being heard before
    the seizure - even that basic right when it comes to Intel Prop was
    dispensed with in Europe...) <br>
    <br>
    so perhaps from an Intel Property angle, the rich countries ought to
    be a subject of inquiry as they are the "leaders" on the Intel Prop
    sphere (pursuing the TPP which is SOPA and ACTA on steriods... by
    some accounts)....<br>
    <br>
    Riaz<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012/12/12 03:54 PM, Michael Kende
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hello Bertrand
            and Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This is a very
            interesting thread, as we have been doing a lot of work
            helping to setup IXPs in countries, and for one project we
            were working on in an Arab country it seemed that this
            principle was not commonly accepted with respect to hosted
            traffic.  In other words, no one worried about traffic that
            was transiting the country, by terrestrial or submarine
            cables, but content providers questioned what would happen
            if that traffic was going to be hosted in a country where it
            was illegal, even if it was not meant for consumption in
            that country.  I guess to extend the Sea metaphor this is
            like shipping something that is legal in the source and
            destination country, but not in a country where the
            container may be offloaded to move to a new ship.  Is it
            illegally in that third country?  The equivalent that was
            cited to us was that it was legal to transport alcohol
            across some countries where it was illegal, as long as the
            truck was sealed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The question then
            is whether this principle of non-tampering with transit
            traffic holds for traffic that may be stored in the country,
            even if it was filtered along with other international
            content before being viewed by citizens of the country where
            it was hosted.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bertrand de La Chapelle<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:11 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Nick Ashton-Hart<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Dr. Alejandro
            Pisanty Baruch; Jovan Kurbalija; McTim<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Internetistan, or the Bit
            Boat... a new approach to Internet governance!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Nick, <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Just a brief comment on the issue of
            "transit traffic". This is an interesting component to
            explore. As I have often said, I believe that Egypt acted in
            reference to an implicit emerging international principle of
            "<b>non-tampering with transit traffic</b>" when it blocked
            access to the Internet during the Arab Spring but did not
            impact the transit traffic serving the easter coast of
            Africa. <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Discussing this in more detail would
            indeed be useful and could probably be part of an
            international/global regime. <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Bertrand<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Nick
              Ashton-Hart <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Funny, I have been thinking of the
                  Law of the Sea for a few weeks as an interesting
                  construct for the legal protection of the open flow of
                  data.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">It is true that there's a built
                  environment to the Internet - but in maritime law
                  ships are also physical and registered with a state.
                  However, the space they travel through, beyond the
                  territorial waters limit, is open sea and by
                  definition not owned by anyone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">If we used this construct to
                  protect the flow of international data, that might be
                  a workable metaphor. The Law of the Sea embodied in
                  UNCLOS is, after all, largely simply a distillation of
                  internationally-understood principles about maritime
                  law that go back to the Roman period. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">We could do much worse than an
                  international understanding that data, when transiting
                  any country between a source and destination in third
                  countries, was legally not actually 'in' the territory
                  or subject to the laws of the state it was transiting,
                  but subject only to an international regime. <br>
                  <br>
                  (Bertrand: these ideas are what I was speaking of when
                  I told you at Baku I had an idea for your jurisdiction
                  project that might have potential).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">FWIW: For those who are about to
                  remind me, I am aware that the USG has yet to ratify
                  UNCLOS. It is clear that the current Administration is
                  very much in favour of doing so, however, as are many
                  members of the legislative branch).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Nick Ashton-Hart<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Geneva Representative<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Computer & Communications
                    Industry Assocation (CCIA)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Tel: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="tel:%2B41%20%2822%29%20534%2099%2045"
                      target="_blank">
                      +41 (22) 534 99 45</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Fax: : <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      target="_blank">
                      +41 (22) 594-85-44</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      +41 79 595 5468</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Need to meet with me? Schedule
                      the time that suits us both here: <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://meetme.so/nashton" target="_blank">http://meetme.so/nashton</a></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my one of my handheld
                    thingies, please excuse linguistic mangling.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                      On 7 Dec 2012, at 16:23, "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
                      Baruch" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx" target="_blank">apisan@unam.mx</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                              New"">thanks for doing a pretty
                              innovative thing here: discussing ideas.
                              Further, bringing a fresh approach and
                              actual expertise. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                              New"">My long-standing concern for
                              analogies between Internet governance and
                              the laws of the sea is that the Internet
                              is much more a built environment than the
                              sea (not that the sea is all natural and
                              in fixed form forever, immune to our
                              contamination and our imagintion.) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                              New"">So Internet governance refers
                              not only to rules etc. to live on the
                              existing Internet, but also has to be
                              useful as guidance in its expansion and
                              development. To abuse your analogy, it's
                              not only about shipping, fishing, and
                              mining, but also about how to actually
                              make the oceans of tomorrow. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                              New"">That brings you to points like:
                              you can use Ostromian theory to understand
                              the tragedy of the commons in fisheries;
                              but can you extend it to Internet
                              governance? What are the limitations? Can
                              you address concerns from liberals to
                              socialists in a new framework without
                              actually changing the salinity or wanting
                              to reverse the flow of the Humboldt
                              current? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                              New"">Any thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                              New"">Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Courier
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                       Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>
                                  UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510
                                  Mexico DF Mexico<br>
                                  <br>
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                                  Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, <a
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                                  ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, <a
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                                  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . 
                                  .  .  . </span><span
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Desde:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org"
                                    target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
                                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org"
                                    target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
                                  en nombre de Jovan Kurbalija [<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:jovank@diplomacy.edu"
                                    target="_blank">jovank@diplomacy.edu</a>]<br>
                                  <b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 07 de
                                  diciembre de 2012 08:37<br>
                                  <b>Hasta:</b> <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
                                    target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>;
                                  McTim<br>
                                  <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [governance]
                                  Internetistan, or the Bit Boat... a
                                  new approach to Internet governance!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Well, we have
                                innovation!  With the IGF in Bali, and
                                ICANN on a cruise ship, we may have
                                'beach or floating governance'. Internet
                                governance could be fun!<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                  I like the metaphor of the ship since
                                  it implies our common destiny. We are
                                  all passengers of ICANNia or ITUnia
                                  or...<b>?</b>       Metaphors are also
                                  useful to remove our tunnel vision and
                                  make us think more creatively. In
                                  another metaphor, I hope that
                                  Internetistan will resist Absurdistan
                                  (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://diplo.smugmug.com/ILLUSTRATIONS/Posters-1/4464706_T4FW6r#%21i=1104113260&k=2GsD8hV&lb=1&s=A"
                                    target="_blank">here is the map of
                                    this fast-growing country</a>).
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  But back to the current reality.
                                  Unfortunately, the ICANN cruise ship
                                  won't solve the problem of
                                  internationalisation. 'Open sea'
                                  refers only to freedom of navigation.
                                  It does not deal with the status of
                                  the ship. All relations on the ship
                                  are regulated by the national law of
                                  the ship's flag. ICANNia has to be
                                  registered somewhere. One solution
                                  could be a flag of convenience such as
                                  Liberia or Panama.  What happens on
                                  the ICANNia is regulated by national
                                  law, with no major differences from
                                  any other land-based entity (company,
                                  organisation). Yes, ICANNia can sail
                                  in whatever direction it wants to
                                  sail, but the decision must be made by
                                  the captain according to the rules of
                                  the flag's state. Extrapolating from
                                  the role of the captain on the ship,
                                  the ICANNia would look like military
                                  unit. The cruise ship metaphor gets
                                  even more interesting  when we
                                  consider different classes of cabins,
                                  rescue operations, etc.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  These thoughts have taken me back to
                                  Hugo Grotius's book <i>Mare Liberum</i>
                                  that established the "open sea"
                                  concept four centuries ago as opposed
                                  to the idea of a
                                  <i>Mare Nostrum</i>. <b><span
                                      style="color:#CC0000"> </span></b>His
                                  relevance for our time is sobering. If
                                  we replace 'sea' with 'Internet' we
                                  could have the next book on the
                                  Internet. Grotius was a very
                                  interesting personality.<b><span
                                      style="color:#CC0000"> </span></b>
                                  Besides being one of the first
                                  international lawyers, he was one of
                                  the founders of the 'natural law'
                                  school of thought.  In addition, he
                                  wrote a lot about social contract
                                  (before Rousseau, Locke, and others).
                                  As a matter of fact, his social
                                  contract theory could be applicable to
                                  the Internet. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">When it
                                comes to the concept of open sea,
                                Grotius had an interesting interplay
                                with the political masters of his era. 
                                He believed in open sea, but Dutch and
                                British authorities quickly realised the
                                usefulness of his doctrine. They had the
                                biggest fleets and had ambitions to
                                develop trade and colonial empires.
                                Grotius provided them with the necessary
                                doctrine or 'political software'. 
                                However, Grotius always argued that
                                'open sea' needs rules and principles in
                                order to be 'open'. Although it was
                                counter-intuitive to the leaders of two
                                growing maritime powers, he managed to
                                convince them that it was in their best
                                interest to 'tame' their comparative
                                powers and ensure the sustainability of
                                their empires beyond the 17th century.
                                Everything else has written the history,
                                which proved Grotius right. We can draw
                                many parallels, with the necessary
                                caution that historical analogies should
                                be handled with care.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                While we are waiting for a new Grotius
                                (or Godot), we should review how we
                                debate Internet governance issues.
                                Grotius was a great scholar who mastered
                                the existing rules before he started
                                changing them. We, on the other hand,
                                use well-defined and developed concepts
                                in a relaxed way. A few examples...<br>
                                <br>
                                As we saw, the frequently used metaphor
                                of the open sea does not translate to an
                                open Internet. In many respects, it can
                                lead in the opposite direction (Internet
                                Nostrum). 
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Another example is the role of states'
                                responsibility in the Internet era. This
                                is a well-defined concept in
                                international law. If we want states to
                                be responsible for whatever is
                                originating in their territories  (e.g.
                                cyber-attacks, botnets),  we have to
                                give them the tools to ensure their
                                responsibility (mainly state control,
                                regulation, and surveillance). Most
                                writings on state responsibility start
                                from the opposite assumption, i.e. the
                                limited role of the state. With all the
                                creativity and imagination in the world,
                                we still cannot have it both ways. <br>
                                <br>
                                The most topical example of the need for
                                evidence-based policy is the case of the
                                Red Cross name/emblem at ICANN. There
                                are very clear rules for the protection
                                of the Red Cross name/emblem that were
                                adopted some 100 years ago and have been
                                followed, without  reservation, on
                                national and international levels. 
                                ICANN was right in protecting the Red
                                Cross name but made the mistake of
                                putting it together with organisations
                                that do not enjoy the same status (the
                                International Olympic Committee). 
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Even if we want to change the rules in
                                order to adjust to the specificities of
                                the Internet era (if any), we have first
                                to master them. I see here an important
                                role for academic and civil society
                                communities. If we had advised ICANN to
                                evaluate the Red Cross and IOC
                                submissions separately, we could have
                                avoided a lot of policy confusion and
                                wasted time.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                The GIGANET might consider the
                                evidence-based policy research as the
                                key theme for the next meeting?<br>
                                <br>
                                Regards, Jovan <br>
                                <br>
                                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/6/12 3:31 PM,
                                  McTim wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <blockquote
                                style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                <p class="MsoNormal">All, <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">If domiciling
                                    ICANN in a nation state is
                                    problematic, perhaps ICANN could buy
                                    this cruise ship as a HQ:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><a
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                                      href="http://cruiseship.homestead.com/Cruise-Ship.html"
                                      target="_blank">http://cruiseship.homestead.com/Cruise-Ship.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">It would help
                                    solve the problem of
                                    internationalisation, be a permanent
                                    host for ICANN meetings (2450
                                    berths....saving hotel costs for
                                    all) and generate revenue
                                    intersessionally.  It's a 3-fer,
                                    plus it's a snip @~ 300 million
                                    USD!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
                                    Cheers,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    McTim<br>
                                    "A name indicates what we seek. An
                                    address indicates where it is. A
                                    route indicates how we get there." 
                                    Jon Postel<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><b>Jovan
                                      Kurbalija, PhD</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none">Director,
                                    DiploFoundation<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
                                      lang="FR-CH">Rue de Lausanne 56 <b>|
                                      </b>1202 Geneva <b>| </b>Switzerland</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><b>Tel.</b>
                                    <span lang="FR-CH"><a
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><b>Email:
                                    </b><span lang="FR-CH"><a
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                                        target="_blank">jovank@diplomacy.edu</a></span> 
                                    <b><span lang="FR-CH">| Twitter:</span></b><span
                                      lang="FR-CH"> @jovankurbalija</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                        lang="FR-CH">The latest from
                                        Diplo:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                      lang="FR-CH">
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                                        target="_blank">today – this
                                        week – this month</a>
                                      <b><span style="color:red">l</span></b>
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                                        href="http://www.diplomacy.edu/conferences/innovation"
                                        target="_blank">
                                        Conference on Innovation in
                                        Diplomacy (Malta, 19-20 November
                                        2012)</a> <b><span
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                                        href="http://www.diplomacy.edu/courses"
                                        target="_blank">new online
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