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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks John, for pointing to the "Anonymous" screed and indicating that the "Attacks Against the ITU Website" should probably be seen rather more in the context of "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action">Direct Action</a>" than of an externally instigated "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_mob">lynch mob</a>".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also, BTB, the "Anonymous" screed that you point to is very interesting in itself (and dare I say rather more useful than almost all of the various anti-ITU interventions including that from ISOC in that it actually ties its comments back into a framework other than vituperative anti-ITU (and by implication anti-UN) rhetorical flourishes and into a larger analysis of the necessarily evolving broader context of global governance). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Their analysis and prescriptions aren't one's I necessarily agree with, but they are contributions to that larger discussion that unfortunately the overblown rhetoric of the last several months has served only to obscure--in this way serving should I say, and perhaps not incidentally, the interests of certain national and corporate entities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Curran [mailto:jcurran@istaff.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 07, 2012 8:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Internet Society's Statement Addressing Reported Attacks Against the ITU Website<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:14 AM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>(Regarding Sally Wentworth's "Please take note of the below statement from ISOC with regards to reported attacks against the ITU Website during the WCIT.")<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#007316'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is extremely difficult to stop a lynch mob.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>It is important keep in mind that the number of machines in a DDoS attack does not <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>equal the number of actual actors; i.e. 100 thousand people protesting by gathering <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>in a city square is a definitely a demonstration of civil empowerment, whereas 100 <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>thousand machines performing a denial of service attack against a web site could<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> be just three upset people with the right set of tools at their disposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As some of the statements explaining the need for such attacks would imply that<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>it is being done to protect the existing system (including ICANN, ISOC, & RIRs)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><<a href="http://legionnet.inc.nl.eu.org/2012/12/stop-madness-anonymous-counterproposal.html">http://legionnet.inc.nl.eu.org/2012/12/stop-madness-anonymous-counterproposal.html</a>>,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>it is perfectly reasonable for ISOC to issue a statement indicating that closing down<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>communications as a protest is both counterproductive and contrary to the very<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>idea of open MS participation for all.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FYI,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>/John <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Disclaimers: My views alone. Websites which contain these views are not responsible<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>for their content and should not be attacked solely on that basis. Coming up with other<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>pretenses for vigilate action against such websites is left as an exercise for the reader.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>