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    <font face="Verdana">Very true, David, the world is going towards a
      networked digital architecture, and it is difficult to separate
      the standalone (which was formerly the computing space) from the
      connecters (the former telecom space) . <br>
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      Also you have rightly connected net neutrality - a core regulatory
      issue - with FoE, a connection most civil society advocated round
      WCIT and otherwise seem to entirely miss or willingly bypass...
      parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 07 December 2012 08:57 AM,
      David Allen wrote:<br>
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      type="cite">This would almost be amusing - if so much were not at
      stake.
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      <div>Those who remember the long history of policy debate, leading
        up finally to divestiture of AT&T, know that there were a
        series of so-called Computer Inquiries, official inquiries (in
        the US of course).  They revolved around trying to divine a
        dividing line, between telecommunications and computing.  This
        proved to be a Gordian knot, which could not be untied.  But the
        argument went forward, seemingly endlessly, for many years
        actually, with much foolish policy mooted, in an effort to
        separate the two, computers and networks.</div>
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      <div>As one of the sages of the era told me (when interviewed for
        an intellectual history), the mess will be straightened out only
        when we correct the mistake, that is, our attempt to separate
        the two.</div>
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      <div>George Santayana can be heard once again from the grave, it
        seems, with his:  "Those who cannot remember the past are
        condemned to repeat it."  If each generation has to learn all
        over again, instead of building from the hard-won lessons
        already travelled ...</div>
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      <div>Notably - even a bit ironically - there, in those Computer
        Inquiries, as here in the Dubai struggle, the core issue was /
        is (if by different names):  What we then called the common
        carrier obligation - the telecoms carrier was not allowed to
        interfere with or change in any way the messages being carried.
         What today we tussle over with the rubric network neutrality.
         And what might be generalized to:  freedom of expression.</div>
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      <div>David</div>
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          <div>On Dec 6, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
            wrote:</div>
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                    href="http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/rm/2012/201637.htm"
                    style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Economic,
                    Energy, Agricultural and Trade Issues: Development
                    and Progress of the World Conference on
                    International Telecommunications Currently Being
                    Held in Dubai, United Arab Emirates Until December
                    14, 2012</a></div>
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                  02:45 PM EST</div>
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                    <h2>Development and Progress of the World Conference
                      on International Telecommunications Currently
                      Being Held in Dubai, United Arab Emirates Until
                      December 14, 2012</h2>
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                    Terry Kramer<br>
                    Ambassador U.S. Head of Delegation, World Conference
                    on International Telecommunications </div>
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                    Via Teleconference<br>
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                    6, 2012</div>
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                    font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><b>QUESTION:</b> ... I
                    understand the definition for telecommunications has
                    been set. This morning, in the conference that the –
                    in the media conference that the ITU holds, Director
                    Peprah from Ghana mentioned that that’s the case,
                    but ICT is still in the works – that is, the concept
                    of information communications technology is still in
                    the works, possibly as a defined term. Could you
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                    <p><b>AMBASSADOR KRAMER:</b> Yeah. We are still
                      working through a lot of different elements of how
                      this definition gets driven. Our view right now is
                      it does not belong in there. There may still be
                      people talking about ICT in different forms. And
                      certainly, in our own discussions, people are
                      talking about VoIP operators, Skype and others
                      that provide what they believe is telecomm
                      services. But we don’t feel those are appropriate.</p>
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