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Thanks for this Lee. It is good to have greater detail on this in
such a sum up. <br>
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If this is the case, then Milton I suspect just because you shouted
out that I am being "ideological", if the "facts" don't support your
contention, then perhaps it is a case of the pot calling the kettle
black?<br>
<br>
Or is Lee wrong (bearing in mind that correlation ought not to be
confused with causation)?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012/12/06 01:36 AM, Lee W McKnight
wrote:<br>
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#000000;font-size: 10pt;">Hi,<br>
<br>
I've been busy infiltrating Internet Rights and Principles into
the capitalist elite - CIOs of banks like UBS, Bank of America,
Commonwealth Bank of Australia...and hanging with China Mobile
and partners...so have missed all your fun on list of past few
days. (more on that, later in the week).<br>
<br>
And not to get in a debate on economics; but rather to elaborate
on the historical record, since certain transition points of
past may be instructive for the possible future.<br>
<br>
So to add to the discussion (?)<br>
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Re: <span style="background-color:white;" lang="en-US"><font
color="black" face="Times New Roman,serif" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12pt;"><font color="#1F497D"
face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11pt;">"Frankly", development of the
TCP/IP protocols were supported by military research
contracts, which had no intention of supporting a
commercial industry. "The Internet" spread to the
general population and succeeded because of
telecommunications liberalization and a free market.
</span></font></span></font></span><br>
<br>
The sequence was: DARPA->NSF->Department of Commerce, with
<br>
<br>
IETF->ISOC->ICANN + RIRs created
along the way<br>
<br>
paralleling the transition from a defense/computer science
research project to a commercial + multistakeholder environment.<br>
<br>
Telecoms liberalization helped speed the net along but the key
steps were taken before the '96 Telecom Act passed.<br>
<br>
So (more) telecoms liberalization helped spur the net bubble but
did not create the commercial Internet.
<br>
<br>
To be very precise, it was the 'Gore Bill' or High Performance
Computing Act (of '89? or '90?) which was the key legislative
milestone in getting us to the commercial net of today, and that
was because of its explicit subsidy of expanding the net
backbone in that still pre-full commercialization stage. <br>
<br>
And then shutting off the subsidy, and nsfnet backbone, April 1,
1995. (Someone had a sense of humor - don't know if it was Gore
- unlikely according to his reputation - or Bush or some
Congressional Republican).
<br>
<br>
A billion $ of US taxpayers $$ went a long way back then - 5 yrs
@ $200m/yr was what it took.<br>
<br>
By April 2nd '95 noone noticed the US government had exited the
net backbone 'market,' and the rest of the story is pretty well
known.<br>
<br>
Some of you can thank us US taxpayers now, or later, for -
George Bush the senior working the deal with Gore, back in the
day, that got us here.
<br>
<br>
Of course, what this all has to with how the net of nets should
be coordinated in 2013 is - unclear.
<br>
<br>
Other than to indicate reasonably orderly transitions from one -
state - to another have happened multiple times before, and
certainly can in future as well; even if the now global
dimensions of the challenge, and the market, make it a bit
harder than US federal agencies cooperating - though even that
is not easy, as anyone ever dealing with government agencies
knows well.<br>
<br>
<span style="background-color:white;" lang="en-US"><font
color="black" face="Times New Roman,serif" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12pt;"><font color="#1F497D"
face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11pt;">Lee<br>
<br>
PS: So yes, really, Gore should be credited for the
commercial Internet, not because he 'invented' it; but
yeah for real he personally was the one guy who
deserves credit for getting it funded, and launched.
That's why it was called 'the Gore Bill.'<br>
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color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] on behalf of McTim
[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Hmmmm... Google:
"Internet Freedom!"... (from taxes?<br>
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<div>Riaz,<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:05 PM,
Riaz K Tayob <span dir="ltr">
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Now I have no truck disagreeing
with Mueller on economics - these approaches differ in
method as well as context, so there is room for
disagreement. But on the politics of the matter (sorry
Milton, for some Institutionalists if it is relevant
then it must be included in the "calculation") Milton,
with what I surmise from his Institutionalism - not
having read all his work, is no different from
American Exceptionalists on this list.
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<div>Can you point to any of those? I have challenged you
on this before, and from what I can see there are none
(even amongst the Americans on the list, some of whom
are amongst the strongest voices for "internationalising
ICANN").</div>
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-- <br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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