<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The OECD actually makes for a more sensible choice for cs to support and endorse, given their willingness to listen across stakeholder groups.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 01-Dec-2012, at 6:31, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><base href="x-msg://132/"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">+1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And I think the<a href="http://www.ntia.doc.gov/blog/2012/necessity-inclusive-transparent-and-participatory-internet"> just released statement by the US delegation to WCIT</a> begins some significant movement in the direction of those processes… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now how to capitalize on this and its general support for the "<a href="http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/">Best Bits statement</a>" (which includes that "Fundamental to the framing of public policy (for the Internet) must be the pursuit of the public interest and fundamental human rights..."); perhaps starting by revisiting <a href="http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/40/21/48289796.pdf">the OECD Internet policy principles</a> to resolve the areas of CS concern which led to <a href="http://csisac.org/CSISAC_PR_06292011.pdf">CS not signing onto the final OECD document</a>; and also beginning a process of becoming more globally inclusive in this development (as for example using the IRP statement of <a href="http://irpcharter.org/campaign/">Internet Rights & Principles</a> which have a strong anchor in Human Rights/the UDHRD as a conceptual/normative foundation).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Beginning with the above but then initiating a much broader and more inclusive global norm-setting process as for example, through a reformed and much more inclusive IGF (designed to be something other than a place to swap business cards and chat) or towards an update of the WSIS declaration in light of what has transpired in the last ten years or so…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> John Curran [<a href="mailto:jcurran@istaff.org">mailto:jcurran@istaff.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 2:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/27/net-us-un-internet-idUSBRE8AQ06320121127">http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/27/net-us-un-internet-idUSBRE8AQ06320121127</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:26 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That challenge is to find a way that we all globally, can allow the Internet to fulfill the possibilities for all of us that it presents (and in ways that are meaningful to all of us in our global diversity) -- and that means finding a way to reconcile sometimes extremely divergent interests and perspectives concerning for example, what issues are important/necessary to resolve and where they can be resolved and who/how should be involved in resolving them.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The challenge is that the Internet is truly a global system, and we lack good mechanisms<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">for development of true agreement on public policy issues when applied to a global scope.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There are some feedback loops which operate reasonable well in the context of a single <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">country. (For example, the response of consumers, and civil society on their behalf, to <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"bad" decisions by businesses with respect to privacy results in lots of attention, and<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">sometimes even results changes to the errant business practices.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In an ideal world, there would be a way to encourage productive discussion of the various<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">public policy principles that should be applicable to Internet communications on a global<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">scope, and such discussions would multistakeholder in nature, open in participation, and <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">transparent in the processes used to reach outcomes (there is a little bit of a challenge in <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">accomplishing such, since making the final determinations of what is appropriate public <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">policy is one of areas that has been considered the realm of governments, and yet we are<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">collectively unsure if that model continues to work in our new highly connected world)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If we could produce clear statements of public policy principles, and the statements were <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">made known to existing Internet governance institutions, then they would quite likely be <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">considered in development of the various technical standards and policies that we need <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">to keep the Internet running. Likewise, if folks working on such standards and policies <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">took significant measures to keep governments and civil society aware of the ongoing <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">developments, it would help in avoiding conflicts between Internet practices and the <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">globally accepted principles in any given public policy area.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">/John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">p.s. Disclaimers apply. My views alone. Use of this email may trigger visions and/or<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">produce delusions, paranoia, and schizophrenia-like symptoms. Use sparingly and <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">seek appropriate medical treatment as needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br><span>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a></span><br><span>To be removed from the list, visit:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>For all other list information and functions, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a></span><br><span>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>