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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Perhaps a sophisticated form of <a href="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_shopping">forum shopping</a>?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2012/10/15/googles-world-antitrust-decision-near-plus-patents-privacy/">http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2012/10/15/googles-world-antitrust-decision-near-plus-patents-privacy/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>M<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From: apeake@gmail.com [mailto:apeake@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Adam Peake<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:36 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [governance] Google's Fight the ITU/WCIT website<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Google attacks UN net conference<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20429625><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb@bollow.ch> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh@hserus.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Norbert Bollow [21/11/12 10:36 +0100]:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > >> I fail to see how google selling email, collaboration etc <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > >> services to telcos has anything to do with the free and open internet here.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > >You may need to read up on the very significant body of literature <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > >that exists about the effects of this kind of partnerships.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > I haven't seen significant papers in this area, but am glad to be <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > corrected.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > I do come from a background where my workplace (and my previous<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > workplace) have been large mail hosting shops that hosted mail for <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > everything from small businesses, ngos and universities to ISPs and <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > free webmail providers. So - please do tell me just what effect <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > outsourcing your mail hosting has, from a governance standpoint. I <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > might be able to provide a counterpoint or two.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I don't know about any literature on this specific type of deal that <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> would describe how there's a significant difference between that <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> "email, collaboration etc services" deal with a company with Google's <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> technical and market power muscle as opposed to outsourcing just email <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> to the kind of company that you describe.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> But there's a significant body of literature on antitrust concerns in <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> general, and it's easy to find. Also there is literature on price <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> discrimination, which goes very much to the heart of Parminder's point <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> as I understand it. I would propose that a good starting point on that <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> topic is this paper:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> A. M. Odlyzko: The evolution of price discrimination in transportation <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> and its implications for the Internet, Review of Network Economics, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> vol. 3, no. 3, September 2004, pp. 323-346.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/rne33.pdf<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Greetings,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ____________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> governance@lists.igcaucus.org<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To be removed from the list, visit:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> For all other list information and functions, see:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> http://www.igcaucus.org/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>