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<font size="+1">Dear all<br>
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<font size="+1">I support Jovan's comments about government
participation very strongly.<br>
<br>
<font size="+1">It is not that w<font size="+1">e cannot have
useful IGF<font size="+1">s without government
involvement... but for the whole process of dialogue/soft
power/<font size="+1">building of capacity and unders<font
size="+1">tanding and relationships to have positive
policy outcomes (and to influence day to day
behaviour) we do need them there. And we need more
than North American and Europe<font size="+1">an
governments and<font size="+1"> the regula<font
size="+1">r</font></font></font> handful of deve<font
size="+1">loping country reps. In some ways this <font
size="+1">imbalance <font size="+1">consolidates
<font size="+1">distrust of of multi-stakeholder
in<font size="+1">clu<font size="+1">sion in
the p<font size="+1">laces where <font
size="+1">we most need to build it.<br>
<br>
<font size="+1">I think it can be
addressed.. and one mechanisms is
the MAG. <font size="+1">For
example, I <font size="+1">t<font
size="+1">hink that the
Special Advi<font size="+1">sor
<font size="+1">(sho<font
size="+1">uld this
person ever by
appointed) should be
from a developing coun<font
size="+1">try<font
size="+1">.
Similarly if a chair
(or co-<font
size="+1">chairs</font>)
is to be appointed
from among MAG
members<font
size="+1"> <font
size="+1">having<font
size="+1"> a
developing
country person
as on<font
size="+1">e of
these
co-chairs
could <font
size="+1">also
make a huge
difference<font
size="+1"> in
building the
MAG's
legitimacy<font
size="+1">
among
developing
country
governments.</font></font></font></font></font></font>
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
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size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1">Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/11/2012 12:55, Jovan Kurbalija
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:50A22719.9040706@diplomacy.edu" type="cite">Thank
you, Tijani, for a very useful summary. I have just one
clarification on my statement. While I agree that governments
should /support/ the multistakeholder model, my main point is that
we must ensure more /government participation /in the IGF.
<br>
<br>
In Internet governance, governments are the 'new kids on the
block', while in other international regimes, it was civil society
and business that had to carve out a space in existing
inter-governmental arrangements (e.g. climate change, human
rights, food security). Therefore, business, civil society, and
the technical community face the challenge and responsibility of
ensuring substantive government participation in the IGF.
<br>
<br>
My statement is supported by Diplo's pilot research project on the
IGF Language Corpus
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.diplomacy.edu/igflanguage/geography"><http://www.diplomacy.edu/igflanguage/geography></a>, which
shows that only 28% of governments (54 out of 193 UN member
states) have spoken during the IGF process (preparatory and main
meetings) in the six meetings from 2006 to 2011; and even this has
declined over the last few years.
<br>
<br>
Substantive government participation will be the make-or-break
point for the IGF and other Internet governance multistakeholder
bodies. How to achieve it? While it won't be easy, it's not an
impossible task.
<br>
<br>
Regards, Jovan
<br>
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On 11/12/12 1:12 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
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<br>
Parminder and Marie Georges,
<br>
<br>
The meeting was organized as a round table where everyone take
the floor for a short time to express him/herself. All was about
the internet governance but we didn’t take a specific item, and
discussed it.
<br>
<br>
As for the “Intermediate international standards”, they were
presented as a third layer between the international general
principles and the national laws. They described it to be more
simplified and more acceptable for all the countries so that
they may be applied by all at the national level. My reaction to
this concept was that I find it is a good idea to elaborate more
simple and more precise standards, but I don’t think it will be
a third layer; the so-called “intermediate standards” can only
be the same layer as the international general principles since
they will be international agreements, and their use at the
national level will still depend on the willing of the
governments.
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*Tijani BEN JEMAA*
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Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
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*De :*parminder [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</a>]
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*Envoyé :* dimanche 11 novembre 2012 22:00
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*Objet :* Re: [governance] Meeting with EC/EP: short report
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On Saturday 10 November 2012 03:32 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn"><mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn></a> wrote:
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Dear all,
<br>
<br>
Sorry for the late report: No Internet access in the meeting
rooms.
<br>
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snip
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<br>
The European parliamentarians expressed their support to all
those
<br>
issues, and introduced a concept of intermediate
international
<br>
standards accepted by all and easily applicable, to be
between the
<br>
international general principals such as the human rights
<br>
declaration and the national laws.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Very interested to know what kind of international standards
they were referring to that fall in between " general principals
such as the human rights declaration and the national laws". Can
someone throw some light on the nuances involved here.
<br>
<br>
parminder
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dioplo Foundation emphasized the importance of the Governments’
commitment to support the IGF and its multi-stakeholder model
<br>
<br>
The meeting was held in a warm and friendly ambience.
<br>
<br>
Y.J. PARK and Tijani BEN JEMAA
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Executive Director
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Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations
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Phone: +216 70 825 231
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Mobile: +216 98 330 114
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anriette esterhuysen <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>
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