Let me try to answer the confusion quickly while I am multitasking between packing and documentation:<div><br></div><div>I'd rather remain implicit. I am sure many of my colleagues from developing countries can list a long list of issues that their countries are concerned about and may be sharing during the WCIT meet and that this list has been discussing in numerous ITR related threads etc. at the end of the day it is more or less around US centric IRM and the challenges of censorship and content filtering. Its not just about iran, russia and china, there are more than a hundred other countries out of which a majority are developing regions and imposing various forms of censorship.<div>
<br></div><div>My confusion stands around the dual FoE internet policy of these countries that requires some responsibility. Okay, its not only boeing/narus, cisco or sandvine selling censorship but we have huwae in the league of traffic intelligence and DPI as well. Alright, it may be business as usual but this is giving some countries to show and tell the amazing censorship they have implemented. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Yes there are jurisdiction issues at play here but then some countries believe in resorting to censorship, blocking and filtering.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:Arial">Or is it fouads argument that sandvine gear was bought specifically to censor any discussion of the cir process? I don't quite understand the logic here either<br>
<br>--srs (htc one x)<div class="im"><br><br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "David Conrad" <<a href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org" target="_blank">drc@virtualized.org</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
Subject: Reasons for 'Internet Traffic Intelligence and Surveillance" products (was Re: [governance] speaker at the opening ceremony?)<br>Date: Tue, Oct 30, 2012 9:01 PM<br><br></div></span><div class="im"><br>Fouad,<br>
<br>On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:20 AM, Fouad Bajwa <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The fact remains that as US-Centric Internet Resource Management remains, countries have been sold various Internet Traffic Intelligence and Surveillance systems by US and Canadian companies. An evident example is the use of Sandvine traffic intelligence by PTCL Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited. PTCL is the largest ICT/Telecom provider in the country and manages the Internet trunks.<br>
<br></div><div class="im">I'm curious: how does "US-Centric Internet Resource Management" cause PTCL (et al) to purchase products like Sandvine's?<br><br></div>Thanks,<br>-drc<br><br><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>
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