<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>To be honest, this discussion started in this list several weeks ago, Robert. What is your proposal?</div><div><br></div><div>--c.a.</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">Carlos A. Afonso</span></div> <br>Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> escreveu:<br>To be honest, in my opinion, the process to select speakers for the main opening session has seemed ad-hoc at best.<br><br>Would have expected a far more deliberate process along the lines that the caucus reviews, recommends and nominates persons for the MAG.<br><br>Robert<br>--<br>R. Guerra<br>Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081<br>Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom <br>Email: rguerra@privaterra.org<br><br>On 2012-10-31, at 6:09 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:<br><br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> ... Still, I'm not sure I understand the process that got us<br>> nominating people and end up with a name that was never mentioned here<br>> (this is nothing personal). Were there other CS groups that had been<br>> running the same nomination process? Is this at the discretion of the<br>> Secretariat? And what happens now to the idea of collectively prepared<br>> discourse or talking points, and to Milton's good start on that?<br>> <br>> Just asking.<br>> <br>> mawaki<br>> <br>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Nnenna <nne75@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> I think Carlos and Valentina make a great pair.<br>>> <br>>> Cheers<br>>> <br>>> N<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG | Consultants<br>>> Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development<br>>> Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 |Mob. 07416820<br>>> Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org<br>>> nnenna@nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com<br>>> <br>>> ________________________________<br>>> From: Carlos A. Afonso <ca@cafonso.ca><br>>> To: william.drake@uzh.ch; glaser@cgi.br<br>>> Cc: governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:32 PM<br>>> Subject: Re: Re: [governance] CS Speakers for Baku<br>>> <br>>> :)<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Carlos A. Afonso<br>>> <br>>> William Drake <william.drake@uzh.ch> escreveu:<br>>> My apologies to Carlos, I cut and paste from someone else's email<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Hartmut Richard Glaser wrote:<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Correct name is => Carlos Alberto Afonso ...<br>>> <br>>> ==========================================<br>>> On 31/10/12 17:04, William Drake wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Hi<br>>> <br>>> The secretariat has invited Carlos Alfonso for the opening session and<br>>> Valentina Pellizzer for the closing session.<br>>> <br>>> Bill<br>>> <br>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Dear list,<br>>> <br>>> Sorry for not following this up earlier. Just too many things to do.<br>>> <br>>> Though I said we may run a poll, I guess Carlos is already our de facto<br>>> speaker,<br>>> and Nnnena seems to have received good support and fulfills the gender<br>>> balance<br>>> and also from developing region.<br>>> <br>>> And as Ginger rightly suggested both speakers will take up the talking<br>>> points<br>>> into their text, with some degree of, of course, their own words to be<br>>> added.<br>>> <br>>> May I ask you if this is our rough consensus?<br>>> <br>>> Many thanks,<br>>> <br>>> izumi<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> 2012/10/11 William Drake <william.drake@uzh.ch>:<br>>> <br>>> it's what they're sending registrants<br>>> <br>>> On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Katy P wrote:<br>>> <br>>> What? When did this happen?<br>>> <br>>> On Oct 11, 2012 8:24 AM, "William Drake" <william.drake@uzh.ch> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> In light of the host country's jaw dropping decision to publicly<br>>> disseminate all participants' passport numbers, I hope whoever we have<br>>> speaking in the opening an closing will emphasize the centrality of personal<br>>> privacy protection in Internet governance.<br>>> <br>>> Best<br>>> <br>>> Bill<br>>> <br>>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Nnenna wrote:<br>>> <br>>> +1 On each of the points below. I am currently in the Côte d'Ivoire<br>>> Internet Governance Forum and my drafting capacity is limited. However, I<br>>> would like to see a line that extends "Multistakeholderism" down to active<br>>> national participation of all stakeholders. AFAIK, in as much as in some<br>>> countries, the government is weighing in, in ways that may appear<br>>> overbearing, in others, the decision-makers are actually note interested or<br>>> think it is an NGO thing.<br>>> <br>>> Can we have a "Development Agenda" paragraph? I am also thinking that<br>>> "Participation" may also need to be a paragraph of its own<br>>> <br>>> Best<br>>> <br>>> Nnenna<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG<br>>> | Consultants<br>>> Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development<br>>> Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 |Mob. 07416820<br>>> Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org/<br>>> nnenna@nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com<br>>> <br>>> ________________________________<br>>> From: Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu><br>>> To: 'Ginger Paque' <ginger@paque.net>; "governance@lists.igcaucus.org"<br>>> <governance@lists.igcaucus.org><br>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:07 PM<br>>> Subject: RE: [governance] CS Speakers for Baku<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> From: gpaque@gmail.com [mailto:gpaque@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Paque<br>>> <br>>> I think that both points are important... I would say 'in addition to' not<br>>> 'rather than'. Whom we choose sends a signal as sometimes as significant as<br>>> their words, and we tend to know their general positions as well as speaking<br>>> abilities when we nominate them.<br>>> <br>>> Ginger and colleagues:<br>>> Yes, of course it is "in addition to" not "rather than" - but has there<br>>> been any substantive discussion yet? Frankly I think what they say is more<br>>> important than who we choose, but agree that in some cases "the medium is<br>>> the message." At any rate we are long on "who" and rather short on "what"<br>>> at the moment, so…<br>>> <br>>> let me throw out three short statements on issues that I passionately<br>>> believe should be addressed. In doing so, I will make an attempt to address<br>>> them in a way that takes into account the differences among us and hope<br>>> others do so in the same spirit. Other candidate topics would include IPR,<br>>> development…I defer to others there.<br>>> <br>>> Human rights<br>>> CS believes that the absence of gatekeepers and the open, global<br>>> communication enabled by the Internet realizes the promise of Article 19 of<br>>> the UN UDHR. To erect (national) legal barriers to the free flow of<br>>> information is a bad idea and contrary to the individual human right to<br>>> freedom of expression. We therefore oppose efforts to create "national<br>>> Internets," or to block and filter internet access in ways that deny<br>>> individuals access to applications, content and services of their choice.<br>>> All attempts to deem certain forms of communication and information illegal<br>>> and remove them must follow established, transparent processes of law and<br>>> should not involve prior restraint.<br>>> <br>>> Security and Securitization<br>>> CS opposes efforts to militarize the Internet, or any actions that would<br>>> foster a destructive and wasteful cyber arms race among governments and/or<br>>> private actors. We consider the surreptitious use of exploits and malware<br>>> for surveillance or attacks to be criminal regardless of whether they are<br>>> deployed by governments, private corporations or organized criminals. We are<br>>> skeptical of efforts to subordinate the design and use of information and<br>>> communication technology to "national security" agendas. We believe that<br>>> Internet security will be achieved primarily at the operational level and<br>>> that national security and military agendas often work against rather than<br>>> for users' security needs.<br>>> <br>>> Multistakeholderism<br>>> Global governance institutions should not be restricted to states, so CS<br>>> welcomes the additional participation in global policy making that<br>>> multi-stakeholder processes provide. But CS cautions that multi-stakeholder<br>>> participation is not an end in itself. Opening up global governance<br>>> institutions to additional voices from civil society and business does not<br>>> by itself ensure that individual rights are adequately protected or that the<br>>> best substantive policies are developed and enforced. In the informal spaces<br>>> created by MS institutions, it is possible that powerful governmental and<br>>> corporate actors can make deals contrary to the interests of Internet users.<br>>> MS processes must incorporate and institutionalize concepts of due process,<br>>> separation of powers and user's inalienable civil and political rights.<br>>> <br>>> Milton L. 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