<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Hello</span><br><br><span class="hps">Thank you for the</span> <span class="hps">damage</span> <span class="hps">that such an approach</span> <span class="hps">presents</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">Milton</span> <span class="hps">arguments</span> <span class="hps">held in the</span> <span class="hps">socio-political reality</span> <span class="hps">in industrialized countries</span> <span class="hps">or economically</span> <span class="hps">very</span> <span class="hps">comptétitif</span> <span class="hps">globally</span><span>.</span><br>
<span class="hps">But this</span> <span class="hps">arguement</span> <span class="hps">problem</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">developing</span> <span class="hps">countries</span> <span class="hps">where there is</span> <span class="hps">not yet</span> <span class="hps">an effective framework</span> <span class="hps">for collaboration between</span> <span class="hps">public sector actors</span><span class="">, the private sector</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">civil society</span> <span class="hps">...</span><br>
<span class="hps">This approach</span> <span class="hps">must</span> <span class="hps">relativize</span> <span class="hps">and</span> <span class="hps">contextualize it</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">the appropriate geographical</span> <span class="hps">area</span><span>.<br>
<br><b>Baudouin</b><br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/27 Paul Lehto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank">lehto.paul@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">[snip]<div class="im"><br>
On the other hand, if I begin to consider government, say my
government, as one stakeholder, whereby I as a part of some other
group would be another stakeholder, I am on a very problematic
ground. I have admitted that 'my government' (defined as the
government of the political entity which I can be considered to
primarily belong) is, even normatively, expected to have 'its own'
interests, other that of its constituents like me. And that having
such 'own interests', whatever it means, is in quite fine,
theoretically. To that extent I have regressed on, or in fact lost,
the 'representativity' problematisation stated above. <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>All of what you say here is true: finding a democratically elected government that must - to be legitimate - represent ALL of its people to be but ONE "stakeholder" is deeply problematic for the way it downgrades the actual and potential power of democracy so that it is less powerful than business interests alone, much less business interests plus some individual civil society groups should they happen to band together on one issue or another.<br>
<br>Even more stunning is Milton Mueller's comment that business support ALONE (or business with civil society) would constitute "popular support" for a given proposal. <br><br>Milton's absolutely stunning admission, in the context of multi-stakeholder governance systems, means that democratically elected governmental officials do NOT represent anything in particular, and that business support alone is proof of popular support (and thus presumably obtains the mantle of democracy via this popular appeal and support). Under Milton's test, business support alone would not only trump we the people, it would constitute the proof that popular support in fact rested with the business' proposal, regardless of what democratically-inclined actors might say.<br>
<br>And indeed, regardless of the specific facts here, consistent with this approach Parminder has taken a democratically-inclined approach in general contrast to a business-style approach, and Milton has specifically found Parminder's support to be essentially non-existent even though surely it is not, and further stated that there is "no popular support" whatsoever for UN involvement with internet governance even though that is likely true only of business actors who fear regulation and not of people generally (even if the numbers be small, they would not constitute zero or "no popular support.") <br>
<br>Just as MS governance does, Milton discounts democratic support heavily (such as by characterizing Parminder), inflates the importance of business support (it alone would constitute "popular support), and also discounts civil society support, because only "<u>BUSINESS AND</u> civil society" support would constitute "popular support" in Milton Mueller's assessment. So, if business doesn't support it, it basically doesn't exist as "popular support" and thus would have to be disregarded every time popular support is required for governance. Consequently, within a MS framework and apparently even without a MS framework,<u><b> for Milton Mueller the only opinions that matter are those of business, </b></u>because without business support, civil society support alone simply can not constitute "popular support". Thus, whether civil society or legitimately elected democratic representatives, anyone honestly attempting to represent popular support or public opinion does not matter unless they can obtain business support for their positions.<br>
<br>Talk about turning democracy and popular support upside down and on its head.<br><br>Paul Lehto, J.D. <br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">-- <br>Paul R Lehto, J.D.<br>P.O. Box 1 <br>Ishpeming, MI 49849 <br>
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