<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Let</span> <span class="hps">us agree</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">the different approaches</span><span>:</span><br><span class="hps atn">-</span><span class="">the</span> <span class="hps">multi-stakeholder</span> <span class="hps">approach</span> <span class="hps">is the formula that</span> <span class="hps">has been and</span> <span class="hps">is regularly</span> <span class="hps">required</span> <span class="hps">in almost</span> <span class="hps">all processes</span> <span class="hps">of representation</span> <span class="hps">or</span> <span class="hps">decision</span><span class="">;</span><br>
<span class="hps atn">-</span><span>if we</span> <span class="hps">consider the</span> <span class="hps">democratic dimension of the</span> <span class="hps">multi-stakeholder</span> <span class="hps">approach</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">it is necessary to</span> <span class="hps">define a procedure</span> <span class="hps">for every</span> <span class="hps">country</span><span class="">, every</span> <span class="hps">community or</span> <span class="hps">different actors involved in</span> <span class="hps">the topic</span> <span class="hps">or issue;</span><br>
<span class="hps atn">-</span><span>when</span> <span class="hps">we accept</span> <span class="hps">and agree to</span> <span class="hps">the procedure</span><span>, there is</span> <span class="hps">of course</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">terms of</span> <span class="hps">lobbyist</span> <span class="hps">becomes</span> <span class="hps">legislator</span> <span class="hps">it will</span> <span class="hps">also set the</span> <span class="hps">rules and</span> <span class="hps">the profile of the</span> <span class="hps">person or persons</span> <span class="hps">need</span><span class="">.<br>
<br>Baudouin<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/26 Norbert Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net" target="_blank">nhklein@gmx.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 10/24/2012 9:12 AM, Paul Lehto
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The subject line says it most succinctly: In
Multistakeholderism, those who would be Lobbyists become
Legislators, & nobody else has a vote. <br>
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In a democracy, it is a scandal that lobbyists have so much
influence that they even write the drafts of laws. But in
multistakeholder situations they take that scandal to a whole new
level: those who would be lobbyists in a democracy (corporations,
experts, civil society) become the legislators themselves, </blockquote>
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No. <br>
<br>
There is not only ONE stakeholder who becomes THE legislator - but
there are MULTI stakeholders. In the absence and impossibility of
taking universal votes on IG issues, I am not surprised about - and
I share - the opinion of many that multi-stakeholder systems are the
most practical ones that avoid that ONE stakeholder decides
everything, and gives many opinions access to public discussion,
even while decisions are organized not as a result of a vote in a
multi-stakeholder forum.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Norbert Klein<br>
Phnom Penh/Cambodia <br></font></span><div class="im">
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">and dispense with all public elections and not only
write the laws but pass them, enforce them, and in some cases even
set up courts of arbitration that are usually conditioned on
waiving the right to go to the court system set up by democracies.<br>
<br>
A vote is just a minimum requirement of justice. Without a vote,
law is just force inflicted by the wealthy and powerful.
Multistakeholderism is a coup d'etat against democracy by those
who would merely be lobbyists in a democratic system. So yes, I
think it is misleading at best to use the word "democratic" in
reference to multistakeholder systems.<br>
<br>
Paul R. Lehto, J.D.
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