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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">“popular support” does not mean one person, or even two people.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">I mean a widespread mobilization among either civil society or business or both, demanding greater UN involvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">You show me such a mobilization and I will eat those words.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Paul Lehto [mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue on the Internet Economy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[snip] There just is no popular support for greater UN involvement in Internet governance.
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With the caveat that it be appropriately drafted and designed, I would support greater UN involvement in Internet governance. In any case, at minimum, it would appear that greater involvement by this listserv in Internet governance might be fairly said to be
greater UN involvement. Is this problematic -- is there "no popular support" for anything greater when it comes to the UN?<br>
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"NO popular support" is a very strong statement, and as applied to "greater UN involvement" it is not true since at least one person expressing support would be more than "no" support, and I have done so above. It would be easy to expand the number of counterexamples.<br>
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This statement of "no popular support" appears to be a specific example of at least exaggeration if not false claim regarding what amounts to the mantle of democracy, since democracy is supposed to be responsive to popular support and is somewhat interchangeable
in this context. <br>
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I would be happy to allow Mr. Mueller the latitude to make what amount in part to political arguments, but it seems that in the course of this email I refer to below, a stricter policy in terms of how one characterizes support or the lack thereof is being urged
by Mr. Mueller, so I think it's only fair to hold him to about the same standard he urges for others.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hoenzb"><span style="color:#888888">Milton L. Mueller</span></span><span style="color:#888888"><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Internet Governance Project</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb"><a href="http://blog.internetgovernance.org" target="_blank">http://blog.internetgovernance.org</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-">governance-</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:request@lists.igcaucus.org">request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] On Behalf Of McTim<br>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:12 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; parminder<br>
> Subject: Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue on the<br>
> Internet Economy<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">> Parminder,<br>
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> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:44 AM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
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> <snip><br>
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> > Does anyone here have answers why they remain silent with regard to the<br>
> > active work of rich countries to develop 'global' Internet policy<br>
> > principles, and react so rabidly to any effort at democratising global<br>
> > Internet policy making.<br>
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> My reaction is that CIRP was NOT an effort to make policy principles,<br>
> rather an effort<br>
> to make IG LESS democratic (in a top-down gov only style).<br>
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> It's clear we see the world differently.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> McTim<br>
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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