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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 01 October 2012 08:29 PM,
Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
my opinion your responses and statements continue to take
the form of crude leftist propaganda rather than real
dialogue. But I understand that you, like most
propagandists, get a lot of mileage out of simply repeating
the same message over and over agas/in until people grow
weary of responding. So I will make some perfunctory efforts
to respond just to demonstrate that most of us are not
intimidated by aggressive repetition of invalid arguments.</span></p>
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Milton, you can do with some amount of deflation of your oversized
ego before others do it for you, and try to speak to people rather
than down to them. If you cant hold a political dialogue, you always
have the right to opt out. But you dont have to get so angry just
because you have no answers to simple direct questions like; <br>
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<blockquote>why opting out of 'dumb' Brazilian laws and judges is
such a good idea and not opting out of dumb US laws and judges; <br>
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or what is the next step for ICANN system's internationalisation,
or for the democratisation of the kind of Internet policies that
OECD's CICCP makes, in the networked transnational system that you
seem to propose, and insist that everyone must read about it
(only) in your book . <br>
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Well, you can call repeating these simple and most important global
IG questions as propaganda as a device to avoid answering them, but
to me, and many others here, these remain central to the our
discussion(s). <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">MM:
Then you are simply ignorant, and need to do your reading.
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<p class="MsoNormal">snip</p>
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You are really quite comical.</span></p>
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As I said, beware, Prof! <br>
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parminder <br>
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(PS: Will respond to substantive parts of your email separately.)<br>
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At least the communists and socialists of the 1920s were
dealing with life-and-death issues in regard to their
critique of business. If you are going to wage an
international war against the depredations of big
business, you had better come up with something more
substantive than Google's terms of use applied to people
getting free service, or its resistance to silly and
obstructive local laws regarding video takedowns. And we
all know that if Google took down videos arbitrarily, you
would be criticizing them for that, as well. It's very
clear where your simple-minded politics are coming from.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On the other hand, I do understand that in the new
neoliberal global world order, their is this new political
direction of richer classes in most countries (especially,
but not only, developing countries) to seek to opt out of
the democratic order they are 'subject to' in favour of a
new post-democratic global order whose political capital
lies in the US, because whether they like it or not, any new
system still needs some kind of political coercive
authority, for instance to make those early dawn knocks to
catch people doing things as dangerous as sharing video
files.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Again,
there is no coherent political or legal argument here,
there is simply 1970s-vintage foaming at the mouth against
"US imperialism". Should the world ever be unfortunate
enough to put you and your ideas in a position of power
and responsibility, you will soon learn - as did all the
'anti-imperialist' socialist dictatorships and economic
failures in the developing world of the 1970s - that
simply being against the US does not produce anything of
value for subject populations. You have to have a
substantive agenda. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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you have said that US laws and judges are good and should
continue to overlord over the ICANN (for whatever
'minimalist' areas that you lay down).<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Another
crude distortion. We have had a debate about California
nonprofit incorporation law. ICANN has to incorporate
somewhere, and I have said that in terms of public
accountability, which you claim to support, that
California law is as good as any, and that it is BETTER
than international organization laws, which immunize
organizations from all kinds of things. You are basically
claiming that a treaty can be devised that is better, but
no such treaty exists! And given the realities of
inter-state political bargaining, there is very little
likelihood that the outcome of a treaty process would be
better. You have lost this argument, obviously, so your
only recourse is to return to your anti-US mantra and
claim that I support US as "overlord." <o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
think most people can see through this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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