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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 01 October 2012 08:29 PM,
      Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Parminder,


            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            my opinion your responses and statements continue to take
            the form of crude leftist propaganda rather than real
            dialogue. But I understand that you, like most
            propagandists, get a lot of mileage out of simply repeating
            the same message over and over agas/in until people grow
            weary of responding. So I will make some perfunctory efforts
            to respond just to demonstrate that most of us are not
            intimidated by aggressive repetition of invalid arguments.</span></p>
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    Milton, you can do with some amount of deflation of your oversized
    ego before others  do it for you, and try to speak to people rather
    than down to them. If you cant hold a political dialogue, you always
    have the right to opt out. But you dont have to get so angry just
    because you have no answers to simple direct questions like; <br>
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    <blockquote>why opting out of 'dumb' Brazilian laws and judges is
      such a good idea and not opting out of dumb US laws and judges; <br>
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      or what is the next step for ICANN system's internationalisation,
      or for the democratisation of the kind of Internet policies that
      OECD's CICCP makes, in the networked transnational system that you
      seem to propose, and insist that everyone must read about it
      (only) in your book . <br>
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    Well, you can call repeating these simple and most important global 
    IG questions as propaganda as a device to avoid answering them, but
    to me, and many others here, these remain central to the our
    discussion(s). <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">MM:


              Then you are simply ignorant, and need to do your reading.
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">snip</p>
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              You are really quite comical.</span></p>
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    As I said, beware, Prof! <br>
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    parminder <br>
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    (PS: Will respond to substantive parts of your email separately.)<br>
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              At least the communists and socialists of the 1920s were
              dealing with life-and-death issues in regard to their
              critique of business. If you are going to wage an
              international war against the depredations of big
              business, you had better come up with something more
              substantive than Google's terms of use applied to people
              getting free service, or its resistance to silly and
              obstructive local laws regarding video takedowns. And we
              all know that if Google took down videos arbitrarily, you
              would be criticizing them for that, as well. It's very
              clear where your simple-minded politics are coming from.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            On the other hand, I do understand that in the new
            neoliberal global world order, their is this new political
            direction of richer classes in most countries (especially,
            but not only, developing countries) to seek to opt out of
            the democratic order they are 'subject to' in favour of a
            new post-democratic global order whose political capital
            lies in the US, because whether they like it or not, any new
            system still needs some kind of political coercive
            authority, for instance to make those early dawn knocks to
            catch people doing things as dangerous as sharing video
            files.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Again,


              there is no coherent political or legal argument here,
              there is simply 1970s-vintage foaming at the mouth against
              "US imperialism". Should the world ever be unfortunate
              enough to put you and your ideas in a position of power
              and responsibility, you will soon learn - as did all the
              'anti-imperialist' socialist dictatorships and economic
              failures in the developing world of the 1970s - that
              simply being against the US does not produce anything of
              value for subject populations. You have to have a
              substantive agenda. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            you have said that US laws and judges are good and should
            continue to overlord over the ICANN (for whatever
            'minimalist' areas that you lay down).<span
              style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Another


              crude distortion. We have had a debate about California
              nonprofit incorporation law. ICANN has to incorporate
              somewhere, and I have said that in terms of public
              accountability, which you claim to support, that
              California law is as good as any, and that it is BETTER
              than international organization laws, which immunize
              organizations from all kinds of things. You are basically
              claiming that a treaty can be devised that is better, but
              no such treaty exists! And given the realities of
              inter-state political bargaining, there is very little
              likelihood that the outcome of a treaty process would be
              better. You have lost this argument,  obviously, so your
              only recourse is to return to your anti-US mantra and
              claim that I support US as "overlord." <o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
              think most people can see through this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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