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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Agree with Marilia. The Paypal actions against Wikileaks stays in my mind as another example.<BR>
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Yes, unilateral corporate censorship is a growing problem. But in dealing with it we have to point out that the dangers of unilateral government censorship without consultation with other affected jurisdictions presents similar problems. At the very least, we need some universally agreed to guiding principles for such actions – and this would be in the interests of corporations, who must be driven crazy dealing with the whims and political motivations of 180 odd separate nation state entities all demanding separate actions within their jurisdictions on a network which was not designed to be able to affect separate national content variations. <BR>
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Ian Peter<BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="95%"><B>From: </B>Marilia Maciel <<a href="mariliamaciel@gmail.com">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a>><BR>
<B>Reply-To: </B><<a href="governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, Marilia Maciel <<a href="mariliamaciel@gmail.com">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a>><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:37:19 -0300<BR>
<B>To: </B>William Drake <<a href="william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><BR>
<B>Cc: </B>"<a href="governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: [governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker temporarily banned<BR>
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Hi Bill, <BR>
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What is more important than what is a highly arguable, and, in my opinion, fruitless debate. Ask any woman who has been engaged in activism on sexual and reproductive rights the importance of this globally omnipresent company's censorship on the word "vagina". <BR>
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In addition, in my opinion, private censorship can be much more dangerous exactly because they do not come from imposition (rough power), but from soft power. To organize and resist soft power and to distinguish where "the enemy lies" is much harder. Conservative ideas get embedded in our minds before we have the chance to question them. It is certainly easier to identify that "chinese firewall is bad". <BR>
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I hope we learn to split our attention among these important cases of censorship more wisely.<BR>
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Marília<BR>
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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:24 PM, William Drake <<a href="william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Maybe because the cases pale in comparison to the types of repression said FoE fighters tend to focus on, and because people can mobilize to redress them if they care enough without having to resort to intergovernmental politics?<BR>
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Bill<BR>
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On Sep 16, 2012, at 21:07, Marilia Maciel <<a href="mariliamaciel@gmail.com">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>More censorship. From Apple, this time. I wonder why FoE fighters do not seem to care as much when censorship comes from the private sector, which has a much more subtle (and efficient) way to affect standards of right, wrong and morality.<BR>
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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/sep/13/naomi-wolf-vagina-apple-itunes-censors">http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/sep/13/naomi-wolf-vagina-apple-itunes-censors</a><BR>
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Marilia Maciel <<a href="mariliamaciel@gmail.com">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>A funnier way to continue the discussion about FB policy and their awkward views on nudity.<BR>
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<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonists/2012/09/nipplegate-why-the-new-yorker-cartoon-department-is-about-to-be-banned-from-facebook.html?currentPage=all">http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonists/2012/09/nipplegate-why-the-new-yorker-cartoon-department-is-about-to-be-banned-from-facebook.html?currentPage=all</a><BR>
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