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Thanks for this... informative and very useful links...<br>
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I was hoping that middle class America would realise that ONE of the
principle means that "good jobs" are lost is through the
internationalisation of intellectual property rights... but Ihave no
idea what passes for progressives or how issues come to light in
these societies so your take is not only useful, but also puts
forward some grounds for common interests...<br>
<br>
It is a pity that more was not done to raise the issue of conflation
of domain names and trade marks... <br>
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Just as a side issue, the close affiliation of govt and telecoms
companies also had a material/technological basis - with fibre
optics, govt needed to be at the telecom HQs (but I may be wrong)...
and with the Bush retrospective legalisation - well that is about
the worst thing in legal terms... retrospectivity... <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012/09/10 11:01 AM, Louis Pouzin
(well) wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CA+EjHYr2O8mjxv+QwvofxzBV0f1sBjsO4gD6D4gAze+OtVorJw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Riaz,<br>
<br>
Why I think this is the case ?<br>
<br>
It takes a bit of revisiting some history to set the scene. Who
remembers, or has forgotten, the ATT-NSA spying net story between
2002 and 2005 ?<br>
<br>
You can glance through:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/presskit/ATT_onepager.pdf"
target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/presskit/ATT_onepager.pdf</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cryptogon.com/?p=877"
target="_blank">http://cryptogon.com/?p=877</a><br>
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In a nutshell, an ATT technician discovers in 2002 that the whole
ATT backbone traffic (phone, voice, data, web) is mirrored
illegally to NSA. Once retired in 2005 he talks to newspapers, and
after much effort gets an article in the NYT. EFF files a class
action lawsuit against ATT. The Bush admin moves to kill the case,
calling the State secret exception. Once Obama elected the new
admin legalizes retroactively NSA's spying, and declares immune
from prosecution all phone companies involved in tapping.<br>
<br>
Ergo, Bush or Obama, same tricks. Whatever is illegal becomes
legal if the president says so. A first step into dictatorship ?<br>
<br>
The US is no exception. Many governments have deployed illegal and
secret mass surveillance systems. Their motivation is primarily
controlling political opponents. Their natural allies (and
financial donators) are marketing organisations eager to know
everything on everybody, i.e. controlling consumers.<br>
<br>
If admins need justifications with their parliament (to get a
budget) they conjure up terrorism, pedophilia, child protection,
obscenity, social disorder, religion, IPR, what have you. It's the
sort of decor adequate for painting spying as a public protection
acceptable by the population or the political opposition, if any.<br>
<br>
During the GW Bush admin the first three were the excuse. Now
those slogans have lost emotional drive. IPR is the new excuse,
supported by the republican opposition and their media lobbies,
working on more drastic laws to protect their revenues. Since the
market is international the US has to coax other countries to get
on the bandwagon and adopt similar legal provisions, .. thus
similar control systems (a bonanza for the US surveillance
industry), and an easy way for NSA to collect other countries
data.<br>
<br>
Apparently this is part of what's going on under the TPP umbrella.
It should be easier for the US to maneuver this limited coalition
than the rest of the world.<br>
<br>
Last July general Keith Alexander, NSA's head, became Cyber
Command's Commander. You can google his recent declarations and
interviews. He is dead set on security (read spying). It seems DHS
was not good enough, as Cyber Command (read NSA) is now to
coordinate all US departments for securing ALL networks (read
domestic and abroad). Ok, he may have a dream.<br>
<br>
All that leaves little else to be interpreted other than a
determination to build a worldwide mass surveillance system
centered in USA. IPR and other opportunistic lures serve as
negotiation jokers for aggregating lobbies and other governments
in the gang.<br>
<br>
It will be quite interesting to observe what approach will be
taken with China, India, Russia, and EU. ACTA 2012 won't be
forgotten any time soon. New convincing arguments for IPR will
sound deja vu. The prospect of US controlled mass surveillance
will look as attractive as a scarecrow. Then, what else US can
offer ? Probably rude arm twisting, a not unusual tactic in real
politics.<br>
<br>
I just read that EFF is up against TPP. Resistance goes on.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Louis<br>
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More on the subject<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/SER_klein_decl.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/SER_klein_decl.pdf</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/SER_marcus_decl.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/SER_marcus_decl.pdf</a><br>
<font size="1"><i> The two previous documents were on the web for
several years, and have vanished recently<br>
</i></font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.eff.org/nsa/faq"
target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/nsa/faq</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy"
target="_blank">NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/one-us-corporations-role-_b_815281.html"
target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/one-us-corporations-role-_b_815281.html</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/01/obama-sides-wit/"
target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/01/obama-sides-wit/</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700006_pf.html"
target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700006_pf.html</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70944"
target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70944</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/05/kleininterview"
target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/05/kleininterview</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-mark-klein-author-of-wiring-up-the-big-brother-machine/"
target="_blank">http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-mark-klein-author-of-wiring-up-the-big-brother-machine/</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mainheadlinenews.com/video/qrBapXsLcro"
target="_blank">http://www.mainheadlinenews.com/video/qrBapXsLcro</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.technewsworld.com/story/60204.html"
target="_blank">http://www.technewsworld.com/story/60204.html</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osdir.com/ml/culture.war.guerrelec/2006-04/msg00040.html"
target="_blank">http://osdir.com/ml/culture.war.guerrelec/2006-04/msg00040.html</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dailytech.com/ATT+Accidentally+Leaks+Incriminating+NSA+Info/article2558.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.dailytech.com/ATT+Accidentally+Leaks+Incriminating+NSA+Info/article2558.htm</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.spamdailynews.com/publish/Bush_administration_to_intervene_in_ATT_surveillance_case.asp"
target="_blank">http://www.spamdailynews.com/publish/Bush_administration_to_intervene_in_ATT_surveillance_case.asp</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.infowars.com/att-whistleblower-spy-bill-creates-%E2%80%98infrastructure-for-a-police-state%E2%80%99/"
target="_blank">http://www.infowars.com/att-whistleblower-spy-bill-creates-%E2%80%98infrastructure-for-a-police-state%E2%80%99/</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=74c_1243652643&c=1"
target="_blank">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=74c_1243652643&c=1</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush"
target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/nsa-denies-wired/"
target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/nsa-denies-wired/</a><br>
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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Riaz K Tayob <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com"
target="_blank">riaz.tayob@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Why do you
think this is the case?
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On 2012/09/07 03:34 AM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote:<br>
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But whatever happens in November, the next USG is
unlikely to change policy on IPR. Watch out.<br>
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