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Chaitanya, all,
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<div>1. the At-Large election procedure was deprecated because of its serious flaws, which Karl unfortunately fails to mention. They break the most basic principles of democratic election theory.</div>
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<div>Elections are meant to split a given electorate among options (propositions, parties, or individual candidates.) The At Large election fails to do that. Instead, a candidate like Karl can bring in more voters than, say, the former President of the University
of Maryland - not more votes: more voters - and the election result therefore is prescribed.</div>
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<div>This is like when in older Mexico or in India a party can ferry voters in trucks. </div>
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<div>Similarly, in the At-Large election Karl so unfairly romanticizes, arguments like "it is time Germany gets its deserved place in governing the Internet" were used by German-speaking media (not only in Germany but also in Austria) and there you are, the
European space is taken.</div>
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<div>The same thing happened in Latin America. In every country there were 100-300 people interested in ICANN who took part in the election. "It is time Brazil gets its deserved place in governing the Internet" was argued by some entities in Brazil, including
the ccTLD manager CGI Brazil (Internet Steering Committee), and action was directed even to non-Brazilians. There you get 2000 votes from Brazil. </div>
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<div>In most cases not a word was heard again from any of the voters so we can be sure that the results were at best a flare-up. </div>
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<div>We substituted this supposedly ideal mechanism by a more complicated one but which ensures at least some level of trust in who is participating and some accountability and transparency. It hurts when you ask for accountability and transparency from individuals
or organizations which are used to asking for it but not for providing it.</div>
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<div>We continue to struggle to build the At-Large organizational space but are light-years better than with the old "bring your electorate" (not win over your fraction of the electorate) method. Add to that the NomCom, which usually can look much further out,
and the At-Large influence in the NomCom. Count also the enormous contributions to deliver the At-Large views made by Roberto Gaetano and Vittorio Bertola. </div>
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<div>2. Karl's lawsuit's victory in court had no more result for Karl than a victory in court. He never found enough skeletons in the closets to avenge the fact that the ICANN proponents defeated the Boston Working Group in the bid for "Newco" as the concept-ICANN
was known till the organization was formed. I have a long-standing (albeit at times contentious) friendship with Karl, I like a lot of what he does,have learned a lot from him, appreciate his many interests beyond technology and politics (we had a delightful
run over the National Gallery in DC once, for example, and ask him about rebuilding old locomotives), and have always been sad that he wasted the opportunity to teach more and contribute more as a good engineer for trying to outlawyer the lawyers. I still
expect to see that Karl Auerbach's contributions make a difference.<br>
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<div>3. There is something called esprit de corps and/or duty of loyalty to the organization. It is not in conflict with the duty of independence. There is a slight generralization that some non-USians tend to decide for a balance in favor of performing on
both instead of privileging individual independence. Your mileage may vary.</div>
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<div>Maybe it was time for some in this group to find out that some histories are not as one-sided and clear cut as they may seem. Apologies if I bored you (Sala, Fahd, Riaz, Chaitanya, especially.)</div>
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<div>Yours,</div>
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<div id="divRpF626595" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>Desde:</b> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Chaitanya Dhareshwar [chaitanyabd@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 03 de septiembre de 2012 21:19<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Karl Auerbach<br>
<b>CC:</b> Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [governance] ICANN stumbling on a hornet nest<br>
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<div>No more public seats!? Gone the voice of reason is..?</div>
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<div>There's QUITE some detail in your diary Karl. I understand how this gives the public information - but how does this become insurance? Could you elaborate please?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Karl Auerbach <span dir="ltr">
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<div class="im">On 09/03/2012 03:02 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
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> I am that board member.<br>
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> Karl, which seat number was it that you occupied at the time?<br>
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I don't remember having a number.<br>
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I was the first (and only) publicly elected board member for the<br>
so-called "North American" area. (I use quote marks because I thought<br>
it odd that ICANN's "North America" included Greenland but not Mexico.)<br>
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There were five of these publicly elected seats, one for each of ICANN's<br>
geographic regions. ICANN erased all of these seats so that there would<br>
never again be a public election.<br>
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For the most part I thought that the five publicly elected directors<br>
were quite good - and in the North American election I felt that every<br>
candidate, except perhaps one, was extremely well qualified. Because we<br>
all had to endure at least some degree of public selection the election<br>
process brought to the fore people who tended to be more opinionated<br>
than people who came to their board seats by a "nominating committee"<br>
process in which the criteria is sometimes that of choosing the least<br>
objectionable, most mainstream, rather than those who might give<br>
discomfort or ask too many questions. There were complaints about the<br>
election process in that in some areas there was a lot of nationalistic<br>
and corporate activity; but that is to be expected when there are<br>
democratic processes - the winner often tends to be he/she who is the<br>
best organized. (For online elections in these days of social media the<br>
value of corporate money and organization does not seem as strong an<br>
advantage as it is in more political governmental elections; I hope that<br>
this isn't just a transitory or illusory situation.)<br>
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Here in the US there were seven of us running for the seat. Some you<br>
may have heard of - such as Larry Lessig. All were very good and we had<br>
a very vibrant election process including face-to-face debates (at<br>
Harvard and Stanford universities and several open online debates.) My<br>
campaign platform is still online at:<br>
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<a href="http://www.cavebear.com/archive/icann-board/platform.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cavebear.com/archive/icann-board/platform.htm</a><br>
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Many aspects of that platform remain important, but I'd like to draw<br>
your attention to one that is close to my heart:<br>
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<a href="http://www.cavebear.com/archive/icann-board/platform.htm#full-members" target="_blank">http://www.cavebear.com/archive/icann-board/platform.htm#full-members</a><br>
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I regret one aspect of that platform - I misjudged Louis Touton and did<br>
not give him the credit he deserved.<br>
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I also felt that it was important to give to the public the reasons for<br>
what I did when I was on the board, so I kept an on-line diary of my<br>
decisions. (In order not to step on the toes of others I tried to<br>
record my points of view and not to reflect too much about what other<br>
board members were thinking - I figured that that was their obligation<br>
to perform, or not.) I received a whole lot of subtle flak from ICANN<br>
for publishing that diary, although it now seems that what I did back<br>
then that was found so objectionable has been adopted to a degree in<br>
ICANN's inclusion of a rationale section in its board meeting minutes.<br>
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That diary is still online at:<br>
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<a href="http://www.cavebear.com/archive/icann-board/diary/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cavebear.com/archive/icann-board/diary/index.htm</a><br>
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One of the reasons that I maintained that public diary was that I was<br>
(and am) quite aware of the tremendous risks of personal liability that<br>
hang over every director of a non-profit corporation. Some of these<br>
liabilities seem to be such that they can not be protected against by<br>
any kind of insurance policy. So, in addition to it simply being "the<br>
right thing to do" I created and maintained that diary so that I, should<br>
the occasion arise, have means to demonstrate that my acts were<br>
legitimately within the "business judgment rule" that protects corporate<br>
directors.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--karl--<br>
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