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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 27 August 2012 11:55 PM,
Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, it will make European/ Indian
decision applicable *only* to ICM registry and *not* to the
ICANN. This is a straight forward and obvious fact despite
your very clever attempt to twist it to suit you.
<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">don't
assume everyone is trying to apologize for imperialism
when they are
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">simply
explaining things to you. I know it's sometimes
embarrassing to be wrong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">in
public, but it happens to all of us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
ICANN - which, like Google or Microsoft, also operates in
Europe - was found to be a
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">co-conspirator
to dominate the market for porn with a domain name
registry then
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">European
antitrust law would be as applicable as US law. See how EU
antitrust actions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">have
affected Intel, MSFT and, potentially, Google.</span></p>
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First, and I have said this twice already but you are not able to
come up with a better example, EU anti trust actions will apply
"only" to EU area and not globally. On the contrary, any US law
constraining or dictating ICANN's action to that extent directly
applies globally. This is a simple straight forward fact. Please
also see David's scenario building about a possible adverse .xxx
decision and the likely global impacts. <br>
<br>
Secondly, I am surprised that you are equating a governance system
providing a 'monopoly' public service with companies providing
commercial services. They are very different. <br>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But
of course, it IS true that if ICANN is found to violate
California Corporation law
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">then
California law would be applicable in special ways that no
other jurisdiction would have.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However,
by this standard people like me outside of California are
as disenfranchised</span></p>
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Yes, you are. Would not non californians mind if california was
making laws that, like federal law, apply to whole of US. They
should if they are not. <br>
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as
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">you
are. In other words, I have no more say and representation
in California law than you do.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
do not vote for its legislature, I do not pay it taxes
(thank God).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now,
either you are forced to admit that 80% of the US is
subject to the same injustice as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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or (as I suspect will happen) </span></p>
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To the extent California law applies to ICANN, yes, but a lot of
federal law and executive powers also apply to ICANN in which case,
not... Again straightforward stuff. <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">you
will continue to play the US card because that kind<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of
identity politics is more effective at getting people
lathered up, just like Japanese/Chinese/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Korean
nationalism over small dead rocks in the sea
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:). You are getting desperate here. I aint playing identity politics
( not that all identity politics is wrong). I am pointing to
location of illegitimate power, and, now since you provoke me :) ,
to some of its desperate defenders, who want to have their cake
(enjoy and take benefits from the power) and eat it too (look like
just and fair people in the global public sphere).<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And your solution to this problem is? As
a key political actor in this space you must have some kind
of a possible solution, and a possible roadmap to it.
<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Read
my book</span></p>
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I must say, a very high handed response. BTW, If you cant put its
gist and outlines in 3-4 paras I very much doubt that your book
contains the solution. But you are welcome to prove me wrong. Why
dont you oblige this group by briefly describing your solution here.
That just may make many/ some of us read your book... <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
PS: I did buy your book but did not get around to reading it yet. <br>
<br>
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Bill, did it again. But in this case, perhaps warranted?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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