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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Michael,
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Speaking as a Texan (by birth): just be glad ICANNites mainly hang in L.A.<br>
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Lee<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF361205"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of michael gurstein [gurstein@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; 'Dominique Lacroix'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'McTim'; 'parminder'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] Tangential (On Exceptionalism Wikileaks) America's vassal acts decisively and illegally<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">(Just wait until the discover the Internet in Texas…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;"> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dominique Lacroix<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> McTim; parminder<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Tangential (On Exceptionalism Wikileaks) America's vassal acts decisively and illegally</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear McTim,<br>
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I would not like to hurt anyone on this list, but, beside considerations of legitimacy, I fear that placing Broadway in Ukraine in a 1930 items database is not yet completely a proof of readiness to govern the world. Is it?<br>
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(<a href="http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/290" target="_blank">http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/290</a>)<br>
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Best,<br>
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<pre>Société européenne de l'Internet</pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.ies-france.eu" target="_blank">http://www.ies-france.eu</a></pre>
<pre>+33 (0)6 63 24 39 14</pre>
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Le 23/08/12 17:24, McTim a écrit :</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:43 AM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Monday 20 August 2012 07:52 PM, Dominique Lacroix wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I recall the proposal of Viviane Reding in 2009, when she was commissioner for Information Society and Media at the European Commission:<br>
<a href="http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/09/696&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en" target="_blank">http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/09/696&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en</a><br>
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Now she is vice-president and commissioner responsible for Justice, Fundamental rights and Citizenship.<br>
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Parminder, please, do you envision things in a similar way?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. India's <a href="http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/india_un_cirp_proposal_20111026.pdf" target="_blank">
CIRP proposal</a> is very similar. Only better developed, and with clear multistakeholder input systems. With a few differences, India's propose a body inside the UN, and the European Commission proposal, one outside. India proposes 50 country members, and
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I would also like to know... You asked for alternatives on the table, and here are two.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are more than 2. A free-floating ICANN independent of nation state oversight is far preferable to a something where CS gives up its current active role in decision making to gov'ts.</p>
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Cheers,<br>
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McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel</p>
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