Firstly, personally, I find it sad when people try to box or categorise the developing world as "South". It's a broad attempt for someone's convenience to paint us all with the same brush. It oversimplifies people's positions and "assumes" that people all think the same way or are wired the same way. Nothing could be further from the truth.<div>
<br><div>Secondly, I do not see why it should surprise anyone that I am pro-development as I have always been since I was six years old. The reality is that no country is the same and there are different challenges, contexts that cause people to hold certain positions.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Snip</div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">..... why,
when a UN CIRP kind of proposal is brought up even just as a
dialogue opener, does everyone join the bandwagon of a shrill
'down, down' , even without giving it an opportunity of a reasoned
discussion.<br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For the simple reason that I do not believe in the methodology. My personal view is that people need to sit together and dialogue and take stock. To want to take control of root servers just because majority of them are housed in the US in my personal view is not the answer. [I am prepared to change my view if and when convinced otherwise] Too me it is just countries wanting more geo-political control so they can also strengthen their reach.</div>
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To discuss just one global Internet policy related issue that you
have touched upon, fair distribution of taxes accruing, or that
should accrue, from commercial transactions on the Internet,
europe has an inter-country agreement on it.... Why shouldnt
developing country also be party to such agreements, so that they
dont lose revenue. </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> I agree. This is different from the UN CIRP that was tabled and first introduced in Nairobi last year. What I have yet to see really is building dialogue on what the ecosystem or universe is as far as the cyber environment is concerned. In my view there are many things that we should fix that require prioritization of resources. Things like capacity building to enable meaningful participation.</div>
<div><br></div><div> How would taking over critical internet resources by force be any good for the developing world if there are competing DNS roots? Globally we have not addressed the fair competition aspects revolving around wholesale transit costs and can you imagine Pandora's box unleased when there is competition at the root level. A brief look at the manner in which telecommunications regulation has evolved around the world should be enough to suggest that any transition should be well thought out. In plain speak, the world is just not ready yet. On the other there is a need to identify and list all fears and all concerns and to always bear in mind that whilst searching for solutions, the integrity of the architecture and more importantly the stability of the Internet is preserved.</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">However, when any real institutional proposal
to move in such directions comes up, as CIRP is, how easily we all
- and I address this specially to civil society from developing
countries - merrily follow the pied pipper's tune of 'threat to
the Internet', 'theat to FoE' and the such, towards our continued
collective bondage and domination by the North ....<br>
<br></font></div></blockquote><div>We do have the capacity to make up our own minds and if we are perceived to be under the bondage of the so called "Pied Piper", that is just a matter of perception.</div>
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Any political position, I would say. is only as good as the
willingness to work on the corresponding real political
possibilities. If you dont like a CIRP like possibility, sure, do
suggest others. </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> "Capacity Building" to enable meaningful participation because when people are empowered, they can meaningfully participate in policy decisions in their own countries and in other regional and international foras. This includes all stakeholders working together for the greater good so instead of tearing each other down look into ways to collaborate.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There are topics of great interest to the developing world as far as the WCIT is concerned.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">But what is the point in vain musings, without
putting your political currency where your mouth is. </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> I can only do so much as an individual. So far I have tried to do this by serving my region within the At Large community in ICANN along with hundreds of other volunteers to comment on policies looking out after the interests of ordinary internet users.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Being active within my region in the discussion of these issues, raising awareness, facilitating trainings making submissions, crafting policies etc whether this is with the Regulators, ISPs, ITU, SPC etc.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I did not attend the Asian Pacific Regional IGF because I was engaged in awareness and national consultations with a certain Pacific country as we were invited by their Government.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On Saturday 18 August 2012 11:19 PM,
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I don't see why they could be exempt from taxes and
why they should not be regulated. Ordinarily just as any person
travelling to another country is subject to the laws of that
country and this is true from the moment you step into their
airspace or water or cyber space. What made the US take down
Rojadirecta? See: <a href="http://www.rojadirecta.com/" target="_blank">http://www.rojadirecta.com/</a>
where you will see evidence of a domain name take down by ICE
Homeland Security Investigations?
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<div>The only material difference really is that developing
countries have been dormant and sleeping. If you look at the
regulatory trends around the world, the developed world has been
efficiently keeping companies hosting content on the Internet in
check and making sure they act responsibly. All of a sudden when
the "sleeping giant" awakens, ie. the developing world wanting
to do the same thing there are all kinds of marketing strategies
designed to take the focus away from the core issues. The
reality is that this is a new day, markets are being levelled,
knowledge is free and the developing world has been empowered.
[<i>Slight bunny trail: If you think about how some of these
countries were formerly under the dominion of others, where
much of their wealth and natural resources were sized to build
empires whilst their own countries lie in ruins. Countries are
now awakening to build their nations, their infrastructures,
their economies etc</i>]</div>
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<div>Why should'nt the developing world regulate two-sided
market economies? At the end of the day, the objections to
"Taxation" are about the "bottom line" and if that is
countries' only mechanism available for making these
corporates act responsibly.</div>
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<div>In my view the crux of the complex debates revolving around
Regulations stems from the notion of "borders". Countries have
the responsibility of looking out for their respective
interests.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:45 AM,
Fouad Bajwa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">I was asked an interesting question today by
a colleague on the discussion about Google's
interference in national electronic commerce/e-payment,
privacy and ITU-ITRs positions in developing countries
in Asia. </p>
<p dir="ltr">She asked whether developing countries should
regulate two-sided market economies where the platforms
were US based content and services providers and tax
them and design laws to prevent their interference
within a sovereign country's policies?</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Fouad Bajwa</p>
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