<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">Dear All --</font>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">I've been very reluctant to get into this discussion about Assange, which really does have little or nothing to do with Internet governance (as others on the list have noted), but the standard conspiracy theories that seem to be favored by many on the list -- and which Assange also encourages -- really don't seem to hold up to close scrutiny</font></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">Swedish sources who know what they are talking about say that the Swedish government is deeply embarassed by the whole mess, created by an uncontrollable, overzealous prosecutor who really sees this as an important feminist issue. Ironically, Assange is now being defended by a former Spanish investigating magistrate whose zeal was equally embarassing to the Spanish government.</font></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">Quite aside from that, from my perspective and that of many of my most thoughtful American journalistic colleagues, it is clear that Assange is motivated by a very strong streak of political anti-Americanism -- that he means to embarass the US government as much as possible. That may be a perfectly legitimate for a political activist. But it undercuts any claim to be a journalist, Professional journalists aren't supposed to follow political agendas.</font></div>
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Cc: Dominique Lacroix <dl@panamo.eu><br>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">Assange is referring to this as a witchhunt, see:
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.newsday.com/news/world/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-calls-on-obama-to-end-witch-hunt-1.3913652">http://www.newsday.com/news/world/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-calls-on-obama-to-end-witch-hunt-1.3913652</a> </blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Ginger Paque <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">gpaque@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Excellent post, Dominique. Gracias!
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 August 2012 12:25, Dominique Lacroix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dl@panamo.eu">dl@panamo.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>That story seems to be all about secret
at the information age!<br>
Assange got 2 love stories. In both cases, the women invited him
in her bed.<br>
The case is about what happened there. Sex by surprise? That <b>should
stay secret</b>, as long as the women were not injured.
Actually, they never complained for that.<br>
<br>
At the contrary, Bradley Manning and Wikileaks revealed what <b>should
not be kept secret</b>: <br>
- Civilians (journalists and children) murders by US soldiers in
Iraq. <br>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/06/us-iraq-usa-journalists-idUSTRE6344FW20100406">http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/06/us-iraq-usa-journalists-idUSTRE6344FW20100406</a><br>
- Orders given to diplomates to spy UN leaders (DNA, passwords,
credit card numbers etc.)<br>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un</a><br>
- And so on.<br>
<br>
Nevertheless, of course I agree with Ginger and Mawaki: crime
allegations are displaced manipulations AND we cannot just ignore
the
sexual misconduct allegations. <br>
<br>
But at this stage of the worldwide imbroglio, it's too late for
having a neutral trial in Sweden. Could you imagine a Swedish
Court concluding: "<i>Much ado about nothing</i>"? So public
opinion mobilization is important. We are the witnesses.<br>
And at this hour, I would like to hear the two women. I'm not sure
that the story is still their story...<br>
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Some strange points must not be forgotten. Just some clues for new
readers of the case:<br>
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- Feminist fighters should be very happy to see that <b>nowadays
police force all around the world hunt rapers</b> as it's done
for Assange.<br>
A famous feminist wrote about the case. Just search for Naomi
Wolf.<br>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.html</a><br>
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- Assange <b>already talked </b>with Swedish authorities. <br>
Convened because of Swedish demand, he <b>went spontaneously</b>
to the London police. <br>
<br>
- Swedish authorities aren't clear on the case,<b> first closed
and then reopened</b>:<br>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rape-investigation-into-wikileaks-chief-reopens-2068162.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rape-investigation-into-wikileaks-chief-reopens-2068162.html</a><br>
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- It's well established that Assange had two love stories with
fans in Stockholm and then Enköping.<br>
The first with the famous Anna Ardin, a feminist fighter whose
blog explained <b>how to get revenge against men</b>:<br>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7569087-meet-anna-ardin-photos-anna-ardins-7-steps-to-legal-revenge">http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7569087-meet-anna-ardin-photos-anna-ardins-7-steps-to-legal-revenge</a><br>
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And so on. It's not the good place for further analyzing that
case. But doubt is widely allowed.<br>
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@+, Dominique<br>
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Le 19/08/12 16:11, Mawaki Chango a écrit :<br>
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<pre>Completely agree with Ginger here...
We can't pretend to ignore the elephant in the room: at this point
there's no part of this story that can be clearly separated from
Wikileaks - if only given all the shady zones in this imbroglio. And
yes, it is unfortunate that the rape issue is now and then exploited
in ways that can undermine legitimate claims. Again a lot remains
unclear, unfortunately, due to the behavior of the Sweden's
government.
mawaki
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<pre>This may be IG related in the sense that WikiLeaks involves IG, and the
sexual misconduct case may (I say 'may' because I simply do not have all of
the facts) be a manipulation of the WikiLeaks case.
My firmest point is that the two issues should be separated, the sexual
misconduct case addressed, and the central case, WikiLeaks, get back in
focus.
I dislike/resent the use of women/gender/sex as a tool that undermines the
case for legitimate cases of sexual misconduct. If Assange/Assange's lawyers
would force the sexual misconduct issue (without going to Sweden--on video,
webinar, whatever), it would remove this distraction from the picture, and
force the UK to show its hand. In the meantime, we cannot just ignore the
sexual misconduct allegations. Women and sexual misconduct charges should
not be used as legal manipulations and distractions.
Ginger
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On 19 August 2012 08:48, Adam Peake <a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp"><ajp@glocom.ac.jp></a> wrote:
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<pre>You know that the 5 biggest financial institutions Bank of America, Visa,
mastercard, wester union and paypal decided to block donations to wikileaks
reducing it in 95%? Censorship? Have here an IG issue as requested for some
people here?
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<pre>Yes, but what have the 5 banks to do with Assange's alleged assaults?
Don't get me wrong, wikileaks is incredibly important, but I do not see
the connection between the issues in this thread and Internet governance.
If you want to change the subject, fine :-)
Pussy Riot more relevant, part of their "crime" being posting their
protest on the Internet.
Adam
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<pre>you can still send donations using <a target="_blank" href="https://flattr.com/">https://flattr.com/</a>
Carlos Vera
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El 19/08/2012, a las 6:42, Adam Peake <a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp"><ajp@glocom.ac.jp></a> escribió:
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<pre> Dominique, hi.
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dominique Lacroix <a href="mailto:dl@panamo.eu"><dl@panamo.eu></a>
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<pre> Rape? Charged?
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<pre> Assange's lawyer's say accused. But the european arrest warrant the
UK believes it must enforce says he is wanted for prosecution. I'm
not a lawyer, not clue about the difference.
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<pre> 1. Assange is not (yet) charged. The judge only wants to ask him some
questions. Telecom provide some means, indeed...
2. Rape? Perhaps some of us on this list, men AND women, are rapers at
a
Swedish sense:
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<pre> I very much hope not.
Indecent assault isn't that common, is it? As you note the offense
carries a maximum 4 year sentence. Not trivial.
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<pre> "Under Swedish law, there are legal gradations of the definition of
rape.
There is the most serious kind, involving major violence.
But below that there is the concept of 'regular rape', still involving
violence but not violence of the utmost horror.
And below that there is the idea of 'unlawful coercion'. Talking
generally,
and not about the Assange case, this might involve putting emotional
pressure on someone.
The three categories involve prison sentences of 10, six and four
years
respectively.
The lawyer for the two women who have complained against Mr Assange
will not
spell out the details because he says that would give too much away to
the
accused man. But he does indicate that it is a four-year sentence that
Mr
Assange could expect, indicating that he is suspected of this third,
less
serious category."
And the great conclusion is:
"The attitude towards rape in Sweden - informed by a strong sense of
women's
rights - means that it is more likely to be reported to police.
Some 53 rape offences are reported per 100,000 people, the highest
rate in
Europe.
The figures may reflect a higher number of actual rapes committed but
it
seems more likely that tough attitudes and a broader definition of the
crime
are more significant factors."
See: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11946652">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11946652</a>
Isn't it a bit unbalanced, facing whistleblowers issue?
Yes, Adam, CIA or not CIA, this case seems to me two Internet
Governance
issues.
- Lawful here, unlawful there.
- Whistleblowers right at the Digital age.
How would you deal with these questions?
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<pre> Sorry, don't get it, what has Assange's situation to do with Internet
governance, even in its broadest sense? He didn't do anything online
or on the Internet, he is accused of assaulting two women. And those
two people seem to be being very much overlooked at the moment.
Adam
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<pre> @+, Dominique
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Le 19/08/12 12:28, Fahd A. Batayneh a écrit :
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Ginger Paque <a href="mailto:ginger@paque.net"><ginger@paque.net></a>
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<pre> I admire Assange. I am glad he has the courage to carry out his
WikiLeaks
work. I don't think he should be persecuted, or face politically
motivated
harassment or charge.
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<pre> >>> I don't think being a legitimate social hero allows him to avoid
facing
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<pre> charges of rape if the are legitimate.
Ginger
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<pre> That makes us 2 Ginger. ROCK ON!
Fahd
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