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<b>America's vassal acts decisively and illegally</b><br>
<br>
Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist.
He was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to
October 2004 and Rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to
2010.<br>
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I returned to the UK today to be astonished by private
confirmation from within the FCO that the UK government has indeed
decided – after immense pressure from the Obama administration –
to enter the Ecuadorean Embassy and seize Julian Assange. <br>
<br>
This will be, beyond any argument, a blatant breach of the Vienna
Convention of 1961, to which the UK is one of the original parties
and which encodes the centuries – arguably millennia – of practice
which have enabled diplomatic relations to function. The Vienna
Convention is the most subscribed single international treaty in
the world. <br>
<br>
The provisions of the Vienna Convention on the status of
diplomatic premises are expressed in deliberately absolute terms.
There is no modification or qualification elsewhere in the treaty.
<br>
<br>
Article 22 <br>
<br>
1.The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of
the receiving State may not enter them, except with the consent of
the head of the mission. <br>
2.The receiving State is under a special duty to take all
appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against
any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the
peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity. <br>
3.The premises of the mission, their furnishings and other
property thereon and the means of transport of the mission shall
be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution. <br>
<br>
Not even the Chinese government tried to enter the US Embassy to
arrest the Chinese dissident Chen Guangchen. Even during the
decades of the Cold War, defectors or dissidents were never seized
from each other’s embassies. Murder in Samarkand relates in detail
my attempts in the British Embassy to help Uzbek dissidents. This
terrible breach of international law will result in British
Embassies being subject to raids and harassment worldwide. <br>
<br>
The government’s calculation is that, unlike Ecuador, Britain is a
strong enough power to deter such intrusions. This is yet another
symptom of the “might is right” principle in international
relations, in the era of the neo-conservative abandonment of the
idea of the rule of international law. <br>
<br>
The British Government bases its argument on domestic British
legislation. But the domestic legislation of a country cannot
counter its obligations in international law, unless it chooses to
withdraw from them. If the government does not wish to follow the
obligations imposed on it by the Vienna Convention, it has the
right to resile from it – which would leave British diplomats with
no protection worldwide. <br>
<br>
I hope to have more information soon on the threats used by the US
administration. William Hague had been supporting the move against
the concerted advice of his own officials; Ken Clarke has been
opposing the move against the advice of his. I gather the decision
to act has been taken in Number 10. <br>
<br>
There appears to have been no input of any kind from the Liberal
Democrats. That opens a wider question – there appears to be no
“liberal” impact now in any question of coalition policy. It is
amazing how government salaries and privileges and ministerial
limousines are worth far more than any belief to these people. I
cannot now conceive how I was a member of that party for over
thirty years, deluded into a genuine belief that they had
principles.<br>
<br>
***<br>
<br>
Published on The Nation (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.thenation.com">http://www.thenation.com</a>)<br>
<br>
The Geopolitics of Asylum<br>
<br>
Tom Hayden | August 16, 2012<br>
<br>
The British a “huge mistake” in threatening to extract Julian
Assange from Ecuador’s London embassy after the Latin American
country granted political asylum to the WikiLeaks foundaer
yesterday, says international human rights lawyer Michael Ratner.
“They overstepped, looked like bullies, and made it into a
big-power versus small-power conflict,” said Ratner, president of
the Center for Constitutional Rights, in an interview with The
Nation today. Ratner is a consultant to Assange’s legal team and
recently spent a week in Ecuador for discussions of the case.<br>
<br>
The diplomatic standoff will have to be settled through
negotiations or by the International Court of Justice at The
Hague, Ratner said. “In my memory, no state has ever invaded
another country’s embassy to seize someone who has been granted
asylum,” he said, adding that there would be no logic in returning
an individual to a power seeking to charge him for political
reasons.<br>
<br>
Since Assange entered the Ecuadorian embassy seven weeks ago,
Ecuadorian diplomats have sought the assurance through private
talks with the British and Swedes that Assange will be protected
from extradition to the United States, where he could face charges
under the US Espionage Act. Such guarantees were refused,
according to Ecuador’s foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño, who said
in Quito that the British made an “explicit threat” to “assault
our embassy” to take Assange. “We are not a British colony,”
Patiño added.<br>
<br>
British Foreign Secretary William Hague said yesterday that his
government will not permit safe passage for Assange, setting the
stage for what may be a prolonged showdown.<br>
<br>
The United States has been silent on whether it plans to indict
Assange and ultimately seek his extradition. Important lawmakers,
like Senator Diane Feinstein, a chair of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, have called for Assange’s indictment in recent weeks.
But faced with strong objections from civil liberties and human
rights advocates, the White House may prefer to avoid direct
confrontation, leaving Assange entangled in disputes with the UK
and Sweden over embarrassing charges of sexual misconduct in
Sweden.<br>
<br>
Any policy of isolating Assange may have failed now, as the
conflict becomes one in which Ecuador—and a newly independent
Latin America—stand off against the US and UK. Ecuador’s president
Rafael Correa represents the wave of new nationalist leaders on
the continent who have challenged the traditional US dominance
over trade, security and regional decision-making. Correa joined
the Venezuelan-founded Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas in
June 2009, and closed the US military base in Ecuador in September
2009. His government fined Chevron for $8.6 billion for damages to
the Amazon rainforest, in a case which Correa called “the most
important in the history of the country.” He survived a coup
attempt in 2010.<br>
<br>
It is very unlikely that Correa would make his asylum decision
without consulting other governments in Latin America. An
aggressive reaction by the British, carrying echoes of the
colonial past, is likely to solidify Latin American ranks behind
Quito, making Assange another irritant in relations with the
United States.<br>
<br>
Earlier this year, many Central and Latin American leaders rebuked
the Obama administration for its drug war policies and vowed not
to participate in another Organization of American States meeting
that excluded Cuba. Shortly after, President Obama acted to remove
his Latin American policy chief, Dan Restrepo, according to a
source with close ties to the Obama administration. Now the
Assange affair threatens more turmoil between the United States
and the region.<br>
<br>
***<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/08/196589.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/08/196589.htm</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Victoria Nuland</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Spokesperson</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Daily Press Briefing</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Washington, DC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">August 16, 2012<br>
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</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.0pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">TRANSCRIPT:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.0pt;background:white"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="139315c65c7fd014_139315b9d9b79fbd_139315b39b27a906_139315aa2780eb29_13931597c519f902_DEPARTMENT"></a><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525">12:44
p.m. EDT</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.0pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525"> </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525">Happy
Thursday, everybody. Let’s start with whatever’s on your
minds.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Do you have any thoughts at all on the decision by Ecuador to
grant diplomatic asylum to Mr. Assange?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">This
is an issue between the Ecuadorans, the Brits, the Swedes. I
don't have anything particular to add.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
You don't have any interest at all in this case other than as
of a completely neutral, independent observer of it?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Well,
certainly with regard to this particular issue, it is an issue
among the countries involved and we're not planning to
interject ourselves.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Have you not interjected yourself at all?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Not
with regard to the issue of his current location or where he
may end up going, no.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Well, there has been some suggestion that the U.S. is pushing
the Brits to go into the Ecuadorian embassy and remove him.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I
have no information to indicate that there is any truth to
that at all.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Do -- and the Brits -- Former Secretary Hague said that the
Brits do not recognize diplomatic asylum. I'm wondering if the
United States recognizes diplomatic asylum, given that it is a
signatory to this 1954 OAS treaty which grants -- or which
recognizes diplomatic asylum, but only, presumably, within the
membership of the OAS. But more broadly, does the U.S.
recognize diplomatic asylum as a legal thing under
international law?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Well,
if you're asking for -- me for a global legal answer to the
question, I'll have to take it and consult 4,000 lawyers.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Contrasting it with political asylum. This is different,
diplomatic asylum.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">With
regard to the decision that the Brits are making or the
statement that they made, our understanding was that they were
leaning on British law in the assertions that they made with
regard to future plans, not on international law. But if
you're asking me to check what our legal position is on this
term of art, I'll have to take it, Matt, and get back to you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Yeah, just whether you do recognize it outside of the confines
of the -- of the OAS and those signatories.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">And
then when you said that you don't have any information to
suggest that you have weighed in with the Brits about whether
to have Mr. Assange removed from the embassy, does that mean
that there hasn't been any, or just that you're not aware of
it?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">My
information is that we have not involved ourselves in this. If
that is not correct, we'll get back to you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">[...]</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><br>
<b>Q</b>: All right. And then just back to the Assange thing,
the reason that the Ecuadorians gave -- have given him asylum
is because they say that -- they agree with his claim that he
would be -- could face persecution -- government persecution
if for any reason he was to come to the United States under
whatever circumstances. Do you -- do you find that that's a
credible argument? Does anyone face unwarranted or illegal
government persecution in the United States?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">No.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
No?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">No.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
And so you think that the grounds that -- in this specific
case, the grounds for him receiving asylum from any country --
or any country guaranteeing asylum to anyone on the basis that
if they happen to show up in the United States they might be
subject to government persecution, you don't view that as --</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I'm
not -- I'm not going to comment on the Ecuadoran thought
process here. If you're asking me whether there was any
intention to persecute rather than prosecute, the answer is
no.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
OK.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">OK?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Well -- wait, hold on a second -- so you're saying that he
would face prosecution?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Again,
I'm not -- we were in a situation where he was not headed to
the United States. He was headed elsewhere. So I'm not going
to get into all of the legal ins and outs about what may or
may not have been in his future before he chose to take refuge
in the Ecuadoran mission.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050">But
with regard to the charge that the U.S. was intent on
persecuting him, I reject that completely.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
OK, fair enough. But I mean, unfortunately, this is -- this
case does rest entirely on legal niceties. Pretty much all of
it is on the legal niceties, maybe not entirely. So are you --
when you said that the intention was to prosecute, not
persecute, are you saying that he does face prosecution in the
United States?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Again,
I don't -- that was not the course of action that we were all
on. But let me get back to you on -- there was -- I don't
think that when he decided to take refuge, that was where he
was headed, right? Obviously, we have --</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
No, I mean, he was headed to Sweden.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Right,
but obviously, we have our own legal case. I'm going to send
you Justice on what the exact status of that was, OK?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
OK, there is -- so you're saying that there is a legal case
against him.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I'm
saying that the Justice Department was very much involved with
broken U.S. law, et cetera. But I don't have any specifics
here on what their intention would have been vis-a-vis him. So
I'm not going to wade into it any deeper than I already have,
which was too far, all right?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
(Chuckles.) OK, well, wait, wait, I just have one more, and it
doesn't involve the -- it involves the whole inviability (sic)
of embassies and that kind of thing.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Right.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
You said that -- at the beginning that you have not involved
yourselves at all. But surely if there -- if you were aware
that a country was going to raid or enter a diplomatic
compound of any country, of any other country, you would find
that to be unacceptable, correct?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">As
I said --</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
I mean, if the Chinese had gone in after -- into the embassy
in Beijing to pull out the -- your -- the blind lawyer, you
would have objected to that, correct?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">As
I said at the beginning, the -- our British allies have cited
British law with regard to the statements they've made about
potential future action. I'm not in a position here to
evaluate British law, international -- as compared to
international law.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">So
I can't -- if you're asking me to wade into the question of
whether they have the right to do what they're proposing to do
or may do under British law, I'm going to send you to them.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Right, but there's -- but it goes beyond British law. I mean,
there is international law here too, and presumably the United
State would oppose or would condemn or at least express
concerns about any government entering or violating the
sovereignty of a diplomatic compound anywhere in the world,
no?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Again,
I can't speak to what it is that they are standing on
vis-a-vis Vienna Convention or anything else. I also can't
speak to what the status of the particular building that he
happens to be in at the moment is. So I'm going to send you to
the Brits on all of that. You know where we are on the Vienna
Convention in general, and that is unchanged. OK?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
OK. Well, when the Iranians stormed the embassy in Teheran,
back in 1979, presumably you thought that was a bad thing,
right?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">That
was a Vienna-Convention-covered facility and a
Vienna-Convention-covered moment. I cannot speak to any of the
rest of this on British soil. I'm going to send you to Brits.
OK?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
A very quick follow-up. You said there is a case against him
by the Justice Department. Does that include --</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I
did not say that. I said that the Justice Department is
working on the entire WikiLeaks issue. So I can't -- I can't
speak to what Justice may or may not have. I'm going to send
you to Justice.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:top;background-repeat:initial initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Q</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">:
Is there a U.S. case against him?</span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.0pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">MS.
NULAND:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I'm
going to send you to Justice, because I really don't have the
details. OK? Thanks, guys.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><br>
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briefing was concluded at 1:19 p.m.)</span></p>
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