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Bill.<br>
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I will avoid the issue of how your views are characterised. That
said... <br>
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I do not think Parminder represents the entire Third World. Nor has
be made claims to that effect - but it is a particular concern
coming from some third world people and states.<br>
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What is the problem with the references Parminder has provided?<br>
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More important for me, is democracy or consensus the only route to a
legitimate viewpoint? <br>
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If we reason by way of popularity alone, then it is clear why we
were led into the "predictable" financial crisis this that led to
the financial crisis where reason and thought was a popularity
contest (very lucrative if one is a neoliberal apparently) and
everyone else was a Dr Doom. Robust engagement is cool, but not if
reason is hostage... <br>
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Riaz<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012/08/10 03:04 PM, William Drake
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<div>On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:37 PM, parminder wrote:</div>
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0px; font-size: medium; ">When someone says that anyone
wanting a change has to "outline said plausible alternative
and why its risks/costs are less than the
certainties/benefits of the SQ", and carries on at length to
show - as most of your email does - that there isnt any
clear demand for change, and when that someone is not an
appointed neutral referee or something but a political
player in the arena, then that person's politics is
legitimately called as status quoist. I stick to my
position.</span></blockquote>
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<div>Which willfully misrepresents my clearly stated position, </div>
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<div>On Aug 10, 2012, at 9:18 AM, William Drake wrote:</div>
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I support the concept of decoupling root change
authorizations from sole USG responsibility if and when a
plausibly reliable alternative can be
identified, realistically it has to recognized that this
would need to be an evolutionary process that plays out over
some years, with dialogue and collective learning rather
than posturing and demanding as the lead edge.</span></blockquote>
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0px; font-size: medium; ">So I guess we're done. You can now
get back to sending dozens of long multiscreen messages
claiming to be the tribune of the whole global South which all
is just having a collective brain embolism over zone file
signing and berating anyone who dares to ask for evidence.
It's a proven winner with respect to building the caucus'
internal consensus and external influence.</span></div>
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